Cloudy paint after 1st pass-PC?

[robertdon777]

As title really, what i've done is listed below I just need some recommendations of other ways to resolve it.

Car: Med/Dark green Subaru with Swirls that need removing.

First off i,ve done a test section on the bonnet and here's what I used.

1. LC polishing pad (white) with PB SSR2 started off low speed then raised it, removed product and it didn't really touch the swirls much.

2. LC light cutting pad (orange) PB SSR2 same as above then removed and it took most of (90%) the swirls out but left the paint dull/cloudy looking. So I then repeated stage 1.

This has brought the shine back but is there another stage i'm missing to make the final outcome any more glossy. ie. SSR1 or Meguiars Machine Glaze no.3 on a finishing or polishing pad before I apply a seal/wax.

I have some VM hand glaze and AG SRP

Or should I try some SSR2.5 on a polishing pad to get round the Cloudy effect of the cutting pad.

Very pleased with the results so far but just seeking some more experience, Any advice much welcomed

Rob

[AdyUK]

I think the cloudy marks your talking about might be marring marks created by the 'cutting' effect the polish creates. After using an abrasive polish like SSR2 you should follow with a lighter polish like megs #80 or SSR1 to remove any marring. Once the paint is corrected, i.e. the swils removed, you could use your VM hand glaze + RMG followed by a sealant like EX-P, followed by your favourite Wax .

Dont use SSR2.5 after SSR2, as this is even more abrasive.

[Rich]

SSR2 for me seems to finish down LSP ready for me with a cutting pad only even on Black. How long did you work it for, did you let it break down?

I would follow it up with SSR2 on a polishing pad, and then VM with a polishing pad.

Then If you really want to add more gloss and wetness which it sounds like you do, Clearkote Red Machine Glaze on a finsihing pad.

[AdyUK]

Rich would you rate the VM about a 4/10 between SSR1 and SSR2 or the same/similar to SSR1? (3/10)

And then RMG as a finishing 1/10 ?

[robertdon777]

Dont use SSR2.5 after SSR2, as this is even more abrasive.

Sorry about the confusion I meant use the SSR2.5 on a polishing pad and forget using the cutting pad.

When i say cloudy i mean there is an overall dullness before i apply the SSR2 with a polishing pad which brings the shine back.

Cheers

[robertdon777]

SSR2 for me seems to finish down LSP ready for me with a cutting pad only even on Black. How long did you work it for, did you let it break down?

Then If you really want to add more gloss and wetness which it sounds like you do, Clearkote Red Machine Glaze on a finsihing pad.

I think this is what i,m looking for.

I worked the SSR2 in with a cutting pad for about 2minutes (approx) over about a foot square test piece and it seemed to be breaking down, just left a dull finish so should i keep going longer on this stage.

[Brazo]

Sorry about the confusion I meant use the SSR2.5 on a polishing pad and forget using the cutting pad.

When i say cloudy i mean there is an overall dullness before i apply the SSR2 with a polishing pad which brings the shine back.

Cheers

Quite normal esp on darker colours, the cutting pad will cloud the surface which is why it needs - as you did - following up with a polishing pad.

[Rich]

I work SSR almost till it dusts, at this time of year in the cold, it seems to let you keep going a lot longer than in the summer.

If the polishing pad after is sorting out the haze I would just keep doing as you are. I wouldnt use the SSR 2.5, stick with the 2. VM and RMG after will give you the boost in look you want.

Ady - for my VM is much like SSR1, both clean up new shape paint well by PC and a polishing pad. I much prefer the look the VM gives though, and the fact it is so easy to use.

[Brazo]

Rich would you rate the VM about a 4/10 between SSR1 and SSR2 or the same/similar to SSR1? (3/10)

And then RMG as a finishing 1/10 ?

VM is rated a 3/10

RMG has no cut

[robertdon777]

Thanks for the replys everyone.

I think I will go for

1 LC orange light cut SSR2
2 LC white SSR2
3 LC white VMHG

Then some sort of glaze on a finshing pad probably Red Machine Glaze or Megs no.3 Machine Glaze (anyone used this).

Thanks again.

Rob

[shineman]

I tend to buff a car with G3 liquid compound first to remove bad swirl marks with a standard buffing head.

Then i finish of with Finesse very fine compound on a very soft finishing head,this will remove any fine marks left from the G3 .Finesse is excellent for achieving a real deep finish then polish as normal .

I have just done this method on a Rols Royce Phantom at dealers in Birmingham ,except i used Swissol afterwards to get that ultimate finish.

Robertdon if you have anymore probs i will be back at Roler garage every month or so you arent far from there ru ?

[shineman]

I tend to buff a car with G3 liquid compound first to remove bad swirl marks with a standard buffing head.

Then i finish of with Finesse very fine compound on a very soft finishing head,this will remove any fine marks left from the G3 .Finesse is excellent for achieving a real deep finish then polish as normal .

I have just done this method on a Rols Royce Phantom at dealers in Birmingham ,except i used ******* afterwards to get that ultimate finish.

Robertdon if you have anymore probs i will be back at Roler garage every month or so you arent far from there ru ?

[robertdon777]

Not far from Brum city Centre about 15miles, I am pleased with the results so far, I was just looking for the final glossy finishing product really but thanks for the offer.

[JJ_]

I would go with a less abbrasive pad.

It seems that maybe the product isn't leaving the cloudy paintwork it is actually the pad, did you prime the pad effectively?

I would go for SSR1 as a final stage as I don't feel VM has much cut at all I would rate it similar to Meguiars #7 show car glaze maybe cut rating of 1/5 with a polishing pad.

Have you got any pictures of the paint?

For this kind of problem to solve the cloudy paint, I think SSR2 with a cutting pad is too harsh for cloudy paint, although with a polishing pad it would suffice.

SSR1 with a polishing pad/finishing pad depending on severity
VM with finishing pad

[Rich]

I found what had happened to Rob strange, as I have done numerous cars with a light cut pad and SSR 2 and gone straight to LSP.

With a polishing pad VM works as well as SSR1 one here for me.

[robertdon777]

Rich i'll try another test piece and work it in a bit longer, it may not of broke down enough because of the damp weather. I'll let you know how I get on.

It wasn't to difficult to bring the shine back with SSR2 and the LC white pad, about 2 passes. It was just a bit off putting seeing the dullness the cutting pad had caused (got rid of the swirls though!).

Some people think its normal to get the cloudy effect others seem to be able to got straight to LSP after the SSR2 on a cutting pad. Different paint/conditions/use i suppose.

Rob

[Brazo]

Jap paint is usually quite soft mate this can make it cloud over more easily.

This may have been a factor?

[Andy]

Sorry to slightly hijack the thread but im about to start on a similar thingbut with megs products. Its the talk of pads that has confused me.

What i intended to do was use a few passes of #83 on a LC orange pad, followed by a pass of #80 on orange as well? should i use a polishing pad for the #80 or the light cutting one that i orginally planned?

[WHIZZER]

andy ,

I would try the least abrasive route first rather than an all out attack with #83 and orange pad.

Try #80 first with polishing pad and see the results if it is not what you are after go more abrasive either product or pad and so on... i hope that helps a bit

[robertdon777]

Right then tried this again and with better results. I just worked the product a bit longer (SSR2-LC Orange pad/light cut).

There was still a slight haze after this but its was barely noticable even real close up.

I followed it up with:
SSR2 on a polishing pad
VMH on a polishing pad
Merzerna (check spelling?) Finishing Glaze on a finishing pad
Nattys Blue.

Only did a wing to test but i'll be doing the rest of the car with this combination v.soon and i'll get the pics up.

I could go:
SSR2 on light cut pad
VMH on polishing pad
Wax
but i,ve got the other products so thought i should use them.

Rob