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Old 12-10-2018, 11:25 PM   #1
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Hello,

I've been thinking - what do people include & don't include in there stages, for example stage 1,2,3 or Stage 1, Enhancement, paint correction etc etc

So a stage 1 a yellow rupes pad 1-2 passes, enhancement a yellow pad and a finishing pad, correction is microfiber pad,yellow and finishing pad?

I hope that makes sense, I've always been curious what people include and don't include in there stages

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Old 13-10-2018, 07:30 AM   #2
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This is one of those questions which depends entirely on the paint.

Sometimes a whole car needs three stages but had harder paint so you don’t finish on the finest pad. Others are soft so you start soft.

Others need a cut only in specific places then stage 2 & 3 all over.
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Old 13-10-2018, 09:29 AM   #3
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I hate all the "stage 1, stage 2" talk, it sounds so amateurish, like the installer doesn't really know what they are talking about.

Detailing is an art, not a science. no matter how many manufacturers try to sell "systems" it will never change the fact it simply isn't that simple. You will always need to use, whatever it is you need to use to get the job done

An enhancement is ANYTHING that improves the cars appearance permanently. It could be a 50 stage enhancement. A true correction detail is not done in stages, its done when its done. You are removing every single defect on the vehicles surface, or getting them as close as is safe to do so. This notion that doing 3 stages means all the defects are gone is laughable
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Old 13-10-2018, 11:29 AM   #5
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I hate all the "stage 1, stage 2" talk, it sounds so amateurish, like the installer doesn't really know what they are talking about.
I had this with someone a couple of weeks ago.
Looked over the car with them - gave my recommendations and they asked if "that's a stage 1 or stage 2?"
It really makes no sense at all. It's like the car tuning scene is taking up detailing.

To me, you'll do a number of passes to work the polish - this would be your polishing set.
Even a single stage machine polish can take a couple of sets to get to where you want the paint to be. Some people may turn around and call it 2 stages but it isn't really.

As to how many stages - it'll depend on the vehicle and the owners expectations.
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Old 13-10-2018, 12:09 PM   #6
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Yup it seems every industry likes to use acronyms and buzz words ( makes you sound like you know what you're talking about apparently). My art is carried out on my drive way so stage 1 is always to put the kettle on and then have a cup of tea whilst I evaluate the weather and what I can achieve that day. Stage 2 is getting the gear out and stage 4 is putting everything away. Stage 5 is remembering the bits I need to do next time.
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Old 13-10-2018, 09:11 PM   #7
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This is why I'm asking what term people use!

And what stages/break down do you work from if someone wants wants a £100 "stage1/singke stage" or £5000 "stage 1,000" just so I know where I stand..

Easier to explain stage 1,2,3
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Hi Yulee - perhaps this analogy works
Previous property I sanded hard wood block flooring after 50 years of neglect using 5 grades of sandpaper ranging from harsh to fine.
My current property has a cheap and nasty soft wood floor so I only used the two finest grades of sand paper.
With cars it's about a combination of pad and product (compound/polish) required for each car. Different cars have different paintwork. Forget stage 1"and stage 2" all you have to decide is how much improvement do I want to see - Am I just looking for a polish to clean the panel up or do I want to eradicate 50% or whatever percentage of imperfections. If you insist on referring to single stage correction etc then you are missing the point. if you come to me and ask me to do a single stage correction I will do it but don't complain if the result doesn't match your expectations- you will receive the result obtained from the manhours invested and paid for. So is the first wall you need to get your head round

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Old 13-10-2018, 11:42 PM   #9
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Suds and Matt (Stangalang) have this nailed.

There is no 'manual', no 'set of guidelines' for a particular car of a particular colour. Like a person, each one is an individual and will have lived an individual life. What's right for one, won't be right for another.

It's about finding what works for what you have in front of you. It takes some time to figure it and whilst you might have an idea based on previous experience, it's about the doing.

Start soft and work up until you find the level of correction you need, but, be aware 'correction' might not come as a one stage process. For example, I've recently done two cars:

A silver Citroen Xsara. Paint mostly good and I started soft and eventually worked up to a fairly firm pad and a medium cut compound. Worked for the most part, apart from the roof which was duller than dull dishwater and took a very firm pad and an agressive compound to get some kind of correction, followed by a further two steps of lighter pads/compounds to refine to a level where I was happy.

A red (but very only and almost white in places) Suzuki Alto. A wool pad and the equivalent of brickdust compound to break through the faded paint but then a medium pad and compound to correct to a level I was happy with.

The moral of the above? As I said, every car is an individual and even then, depending on individual panels, you may need to tackle up/down from where you started to get the finish you require.

Matt is bang on. It's not a process. It's an art. Art doesn't have a process.

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Old 15-10-2018, 07:28 AM   #10
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I've seen a number of adverts at local car washes offering '2-stage machine polish' for £50 or something. I imagine they just go over each panel twice, and they've met their obligation to the customer. So when it's described as stages, it's obviously more about process suiting budget than results.

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