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Old 25-03-2018, 08:51 PM   #1
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How much correction available from a DA?

Hi guys,
I’m new to all this so apologies for the question however I wanted to ask before I mess up my new car.
I’ve just picked up a 2008 F430 in Rosso Corsa, and was fairly disappointed with the presentation of the car when I collected it on Monday. Whilst very clean I could see the car covered in light swirl marks when it was under the showroom lights. I asked for it to be corrected however they wanted to charge £500 for the privilege. (I’m actually beginning to think this was fairly reasonable).
I wanted to collect it as early as possible so thought I’d do it myself. I have a collection of Menzerna polishes and LC hydrotech pads that I can use with a DAS6-pro. I’ve done a few cars before but found even with the FG500 on a blue pad and using the “zenith” technique that there were still a large number of swirls present. (Red MX5). So, my very long winded question is this: Can I achieve a satisfactory level of finish with what I have, or should I step up to a rotary? Is a DA enough?
Or should I forget it, not risk it and get it done professionally? I live in Herts.
Thanks for your advice.


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Old 25-03-2018, 10:12 PM   #2
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I would suggest that if you are not able to get a good level of correction using the DAS6-pro then your technique is the most likely fault and not the equipment. Once your technique is sorted then look to your pad/polish combo.

The DAS6-pro is able to get very good correction levels and if your technique is off I would not suggest you move up to a rotary.

If you're not sure about it all then I would check out the Studio section and see some of the detailers in your area.
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The very fact that you have asked such a question tells me that you maybe better off stepping away from the tools.
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Old 25-03-2018, 11:22 PM   #4
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Hi guys,
Iím new to all this so apologies for the question however I wanted to ask before I mess up my new car.
Iíve just picked up a 2008 F430 in Rosso Corsa, and was fairly disappointed with the presentation of the car when I collected it on Monday. Whilst very clean I could see the car covered in light swirl marks when it was under the showroom lights. I asked for it to be corrected however they wanted to charge £500 for the privilege. (Iím actually beginning to think this was fairly reasonable).
I wanted to collect it as early as possible so thought Iíd do it myself. I have a collection of Menzerna polishes and LC hydrotech pads that I can use with a DAS6-pro. Iíve done a few cars before but found even with the FG500 on a blue pad and using the ďzenithĒ technique that there were still a large number of swirls present. (Red MX5). So, my very long winded question is this: Can I achieve a satisfactory level of finish with what I have, or should I step up to a rotary? Is a DA enough?
Or should I forget it, not risk it and get it done professionally? I live in Herts.
Thanks for your advice.


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Iíd get it done professionally. Youíd spent way more fixing a burn though if you had a minor mishap
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Old 26-03-2018, 08:55 AM   #5
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Everyone has to learn somewhere and this is what the forum is about. Just because you're not getting the results you want doesn't mean you should give up

As Cossiecol has pointed out you should be able to correct with your machine so I'd agree it will be down to technique. Have a good read of the many threads on here and the guides and practice practice practice is the advice I'd give. I personally wouldn't move to a rotary if I was you as if you can't master the DA then you're likely to cause more damage with a rotary than good.

Try to look and see if there are any classes locally to you which would help you as well.

You'll see varied responses here where some will say it's easy to cause damage with a DA but others will say it's very diffcult. I've read threads as well saying similar for a rotary. I've got both a DA and rotary and I'm definitely no expert but I've taken loads of advice on here and I'm careful when using them and I've not managed to burn through paint or make it any worse.

If you feel more comfortable going to get it done professionally there's threads on here listing local detailers or pro detailer magazine will give a list of approved detailers.

Good luck whatever you choose
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You have an MX5.

Likely to have soft paint (if it's like my Mazda 2) so I'm guessing that's the reson why you have swirls.

For the F430 it comes down to 2 choices:

1. Get it done profesionally. Check out the guys n girls on here because you really do need someone who will deliver the results. Remember, a "professional" is simply someone that gets paid for doing something. It doesn't mean they are good at it. The car wash guys on the supermarket car park are professionals - they get paid for adding swirls & scratches to your paintwork

2. DIY. I'd be really working on technique by using the MX5 (or any others) as a bit of a test car until you're happy with the results you can get.

A F430 isn't really the sort of beast I'd be wanting to learn and practise on. I think the paint will be soft although happy to be corrected by those with more knowledge. Oddly enough I don't know too many people with F430's or, in fact, none.

Which Menz polishes?

My goto would be Glare. Use the search to see what you think and it can still be obtained from Phil (savvyfox) on ebay https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Glare-pol...UAAOSw9y1anlPA. I find Hydrotech's work well with Glare because of the completely "flat" face.

Alternatively Scholl S40 or Sonax Perfect Finish get good reports.

Looking forward to hearing and seeing how you get on.

Good Luck.

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You have an MX5.

Likely to have soft paint (if it's like my Mazda 2) so I'm guessing that's the reson why you have swirls.

For the F430 it comes down to 2 choices:

1. Get it done profesionally. Check out the guys n girls on here because you really do need someone who will deliver the results. Remember, a "professional" is simply someone that gets paid for doing something. It doesn't mean they are good at it. The car wash guys on the supermarket car park are professionals - they get paid for adding swirls & scratches to your paintwork

2. DIY. I'd be really working on technique by using the MX5 (or any others) as a bit of a test car until you're happy with the results you can get.

A F430 isn't really the sort of beast I'd be wanting to learn and practise on. I think the paint will be soft although happy to be corrected by those with more knowledge. Oddly enough I don't know too many people with F430's or, in fact, none.

Which Menz polishes?

My goto would be Glare. Use the search to see what you think and it can still be obtained from Phil (savvyfox) on ebay https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Glare-pol...UAAOSw9y1anlPA. I find Hydrotech's work well with Glare because of the completely "flat" face.

Alternatively Scholl S40 or Sonax Perfect Finish get good reports.

Looking forward to hearing and seeing how you get on.

Good Luck.

Andy.


Hi Andy,

Iíve got a couple of year old 250ml set from CYC. FG500, PF2500, PO106FA and PO85RD.
Blue, orange and crimson hydrotech pads.
Do you know anyone near St Albans thatís any good?

Iíll take a look and see who I can find.
One name that I did find was Roger Gale at TT Auto Detailing. Any thoughts on his services?

Piers


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I used Sonax Perfect Finish paired up with a Rupes Yellow and got an astounding finish on a customers F430 a few weeks ago........took 20 hours of polishing in total...
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Do you know anyone near St Albans thatís any good?

Iíll take a look and see who I can find.
Hi Piers,

I'm just up the A5 from you in Milton Keynes
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I used Sonax Perfect Finish paired up with a Rupes Yellow and got an astounding finish on a customers F430 a few weeks ago........took 20 hours of polishing in total...


20 hours??? Crikey!! Thatís a lot of dedication and hard work. Do you have any pics?


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