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Old 13-04-2018, 11:48 AM   #21
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Why have i not thought of this before... Genius! Thank you kindly mister for the great tip!
It quite an old tip! But thanks. Brilliant for screen and headlamp washers - with no additives you get good cleaning but without those annoying water drying trails across roof and bonnet.
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Old 13-04-2018, 11:54 AM   #22
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I personally don't get why people want to cut corners when it comes to IPA as a alternative to panel wipe. 5L of U-pol slow panel wipe is around £15 from memory.

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Old 13-04-2018, 12:11 PM   #23
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Why have i not thought of this before... Genius! Thank you kindly mister for the great tip!
Just make sure that you don't use anything such as fabric softner in your washer before you dry clothes, or do another rinse before drying, you could end up with condensed fabric softner or whatever else you use in the washer being sprayed all over your paint / towels

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Old 13-04-2018, 06:40 PM   #24
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<30 means there is less than 30% of a given chemical in that formula, it could mean that it only contains 5% or 15% or 20% alcohol in it

You cant dilute panel wipe as it isnt water based.

Thank you fatdazza. just because people use it 'with no problems' doesnt mean its good for the paint on the longterm. A good panel wipe is superior at removing oils in every way, other than cost. Although 20-25 quid for 5litres of UPOL 20/02 is hardly breaking the bank.

1)It's much slicker on the paint than IPA
2)They're safer as they don't break down the paint binders
3)They do a better job at picking up oils with fewer passes with a towel

Try some out! It's good stuff
can not find out what deviations it may occur in the specified percentage, but if it is written that it contains <30% and it has 5%, then the whole idea of msds is meaningless.

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Old 13-04-2018, 06:54 PM   #25
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can not find out what deviations it may occur in the specified percentage, but if it is written that it contains <30% and it has 5%, then the whole idea of msds is meaningless.
An MSDS is simply to give you an idea of what chemicals are within a product. It doesn't need to give you a specific amount.

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An MSDS is simply to give you an idea of what chemicals are within a product. It doesn't need to give you a specific amount.

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but if we say that a child drinks a deciliter of Eraser, then it's pretty good to know if it's 5% or 30%, I'm totally convinced that the specified number should not differ by more than a specific number of %
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but if we say that a child drinks a deciliter of Eraser, then it's pretty good to know if it's 5% or 30%, I'm totally convinced that the specified number should not differ by more than a specific number of %
Medical personnel are more than capable of determining the risks and treatment of internal consumption when presented with a msds. The bigger problem they face is that the msds is not always easily available. Larger commercial producers tend to be better at providing the required documentation or make it available on their websites. Unfortunately the same cannot always be said of the myriad of “rebottlers” who spring up on here touting new wonder products that they have “helped to develop” in conjunction with the few actual manufacturers.

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Medical personnel are more than capable of determining the risks and treatment of internal consumption when presented with a msds. The bigger problem they face is that the msds is not always easily available. Larger commercial producers tend to be better at providing the required documentation or make it available on their websites. Unfortunately the same cannot always be said of the myriad of “rebottlers” who spring up on here touting new wonder products that they have “helped to develop” in conjunction with the few actual manufacturers.

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If that's the case then it's obvious that what I say that the deviation can not be that big, thanks for the clarification
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Washed the car, had some water marks. Put my MF's in the wash. Came out a little damp. Used them immediately to gently rub onto the clean car. It removed all water marks with ease without marring or swirling (I checked). No QD needed that time lol.
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My understanding is that SDS sheet stated concentrations are based on what the hazard is. For instance if the component is a aspiration hazard the declaration only has to be within 10%, whereas if a substance is acutely toxic or carcinogenic it needs to be with 0.1% accuracy. In short, the more dangerous the component the more accuracy that’s needed, which probably links into what fatdazza was just saying too - the more dangerous a substance the more accuracy medical professionals require. Some SDS sheets give percentages in terms of mass rather than volume as well I believe.

Unfortunately like many things not all sds sheets are created equal, that when they even exist at all!

For the record, and it seems crazy now, when I first got interested in this detailing malarkey it wasn’t unusual to hear of people using 70 and even 99 percent IPA! We’ve learned better now though . Also worth bearing in mind paint technology is constantly changing, so it’s quite feasible that some surfaces may be less tolerant than others,

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