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Old 23-10-2018, 08:17 AM   #11
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That looks like a cracking product. Great review too btw!!!

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Old 23-10-2018, 09:45 PM   #12
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Nice review, certainly looks to have done a good job.

Looking forward to your next follow up on cleaned wheels to see how it works out for you
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Really nice review and looks a great product.

My biggest gripe with fallout removers is that if doing a whole car I can use almost a whole bottle, whatever brand I use. Not sure if it's just me and the way I apply it.
When using other product, Paint Cleaners, Qd's,Sealants, Liquid Waxes etc one bottle is sufficient for a number of applications.
Fallout removers are not cheap either adding quite a cost to a decon? Oh for a concentrated product that could be mixed a couple of caps to a litre of water?

Maybe I'm asking too much here



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Old 24-10-2018, 07:03 PM   #14
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Oh for a concentrated product that could be mixed a couple of caps to a litre of water?
That exact product does actually exist. DW did a review of CarPro IronX shampoo. And it seemed quite disappointing.
http://www.detailingworld.co.uk/foru...d.php?t=408009

But the problem is, its a chemical reaction, and in the same way you can dilute an acid to the point its tasty (vinegar), youre never gonna get much of the active ingredient to react with the bits that need reacting with.
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Old 24-10-2018, 11:05 PM   #15
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So after a very interesting theory posed by Brian1612, I have done a quick experiment.

After such a spectacular reaction, during my initial review, a theory was posed; that the wheels were covered in iron heavy brake dust that could and would have normally been cleaned off during a typical degreaser clean. That the true test of the product would be after the wheels had been cleaned in a typical way, and then sprayed with Eradicate.

Now onto the test:
The car had been deep cleaned using eradicate 5 days ago, and has done about 200 miles since. The wheels were lightly dirty, and had light dusting:





I split the car into 2 test areas. One side was left completely untouched, and the other side was thoroughly degreased/agitated and washed off.

Wheel 1:
So, first wheel was initially dry, and sprayed generously with degreaser. It was left for a couple of minutes, and then the face was agitated with a brush:


It's rather hard to see the condition of the wheel in this picture.

The wheel was rinsed off, and left to air/drip dry for about 5 minutes. This is because I did not want to risk diluting the product or affect the cling time the gel formula naturally has.

Wheel 2:
The second wheel had Eradicate sprayed directly onto the surface of the wheel, without pretreatment, and left for a few minutes.

So, the results:

Wheel 1 (degreaser first)





Wheel 2 (no degreaser/preclean)



Conclusion:
Brian1612 you absolutely nailed it. Yes, a normal degrease/prewash does remove an awful amount of brake dust; and it is probably fair to say that my initial review was a little disingenuous as to the results expected by the product.
There are of course some issues with the experiment: he wheels were only decon'd 5 days/200 miles previous. This is hardly enough time to build up particularly much imbedded fallout. But what it does prove is just how much fallout can appear on your wheels that is just surface level.
You do still see a little bleeding on the degreased wheel. But based on the location of the bleeds, these seem to be missed spots during the degrease. What is interesting is that there does not appear to be any significant spots to suggest any imbedded fallout was missed during the first review.
I don't think this review really adds anything to the contrary of my initial review. I stand by Eradicate as a very good fallout remover. I do perhaps value a pre-degrease a lot more now; and see Eradicate as a more periodic product or wheel barrel product, were agitation is more difficult.

Any questions, please ask!

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Old 24-10-2018, 11:57 PM   #16
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So after a very interesting theory posed by Brian1612, I have done a quick experiment.

After such a spectacular reaction, during my initial review, a theory was posed; that the wheels were covered in iron heavy brake dust that could and would have normally been cleaned off during a typical degreaser clean. That the true test of the product would be after the wheels had been cleaned in a typical way, and then sprayed with Eradicate.

Now onto the test:
The car had been deep cleaned using eradicate 5 days ago, and has done about 200 miles since. The wheels were lightly dirty, and had light dusting:





I split the car into 2 test areas. One side was left completely untouched, and the other side was thoroughly degreased/agitated and washed off.

Wheel 1:
So, first wheel was initially dry, and sprayed generously with degreaser. It was left for a couple of minutes, and then the face was agitated with a brush:


It's rather hard to see the condition of the wheel in this picture.

The wheel was rinsed off, and left to air/drip dry for about 5 minutes. This is because I did not want to risk diluting the product or affect the cling time the gel formula naturally has.

Wheel 2:
The second wheel had Eradicate sprayed directly onto the surface of the wheel, without pretreatment, and left for a few minutes.

So, the results:

Wheel 1 (degreaser first)





Wheel 2 (no degreaser/preclean)



Conclusion:
Brian1612 you absolutely nailed it. Yes, a normal degrease/prewash does remove an awful amount of brake dust; and it is probably fair to say that my initial review was a little disingenuous as to the results expected by the product.
There are of course some issues with the experiment: he wheels were only decon'd 5 days/200 miles previous. This is hardly enough time to build up particularly much imbedded fallout. But what it does prove is just how much fallout can appear on your wheels that is just surface level.
You do still see a little bleeding on the degreased wheel. But based on the location of the bleeds, these seem to be missed spots during the degrease. What is interesting is that there does not appear to be any significant spots to suggest any imbedded fallout was missed during the first review.
I don't think this review really adds anything to the contrary of my initial review. I stand by Eradicate as a very good fallout remover. I do perhaps value a pre-degrease a lot more now; and see Eradicate as a more periodic product or wheel barrel product, were agitation is more difficult.

Any questions, please ask!
Spot on mate, top work and what I would expect to see. Just proves you really don't need to use these fallout removers all the time.

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