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Old 03-09-2017, 09:23 PM   #1
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1 Step Compound?

In the past I have gone for a 2 stage polishing process, using a heavy cutting compound first and then refining it with a polish.

But now I have noticed there are compounds out there which do the compounding and polishing to a high gloss in one step. Products like Scholl S20 Black, Sonax EX04/06.

I need some advice on which one to go for. It needs to have good cut as I will be using it with hard paints.

Based on this, I dont think either Scholl S20 or Sonax 04/06 have enough cut.

I am looking at Menzerna Heavy cut compound 400. This looks ideal as it has a cut of 8/10 and also gloss of 8/10.

Question is, will the Menz leave the paintwork ready for LSP?

Menz reccomend to use the Final/Super Finish after the Heavy Cut Compound 400. These have a a gloss of 10/10.

Will I really notice the additional 2/10 gloss of the Final/Super Finish polishes?
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Old 04-09-2017, 07:01 AM   #2
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I have only a little experience with Sonax PF (similar to 0406 I understand) and my paint is admittedly soft, but from what I've read it can give excellent results on hard paints if the correct pad is chosen. The finish is exceptional, too.

I believe it's rated at 4/5 cut and 5/5 finish. Might be worth a whirl.


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Old 04-09-2017, 08:11 AM   #3
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Can't beat a 2 or even 3 stage polish there's just not a magical product that can heavily cut and finish perfectly, I've had some success with S20 black but it still leaves lots of the deeper marks in paint but does finish well. Still a great product for a single stage polish tho.


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Can't beat a 2 or even 3 stage polish there's just not a magical product that can heavily cut and finish perfectly, I've had some success with S20 black but it still leaves lots of the deeper marks in paint but does finish well. Still a great product for a single stage polish tho.


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This guy is right. One step works for swirls very well like the sonax but that's as good as it gets and your looking for a magic product that does not exist or everyone would use it
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Have you considered a product like Glare? Fills instead of cutting. Knockout is the 'heavy' one, so would fill major defects and leave some gloss but if your paints in decent shape you could get away with just a micro finish or spider and then just choose your pad wisely.
Either something like that or CarPro Essense, has some cut and some fill and buckets of gloss. Pad choice again is what makes the difference
There are videos of people testing it on MF pads, cutting pads and polishing pads to see the difference.
So could be a decent idea for a once step



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Is this on your own car or other people's cars? plus if it's yours then what colour is it as sometimes on light silver or white paint you can finish nearly LSP ready with Menzerna 400 depending on what cutting pad you choose, but why the hurry and why would you want to skip on the refining stage.
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I have only a little experience with Sonax PF (similar to 0406 I understand) and my paint is admittedly soft, but from what I've read it can give excellent results on hard paints if the correct pad is chosen. The finish is exceptional, too.

I believe it's rated at 4/5 cut and 5/5 finish. Might be worth a whirl.


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I believe you are referring to Sonax PF 05/05? If so, then this has a cut and gloss of 5/6. Trouble is I have not seem any reviews on this product and also not many retailers sell it.

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Can't beat a 2 or even 3 stage polish there's just not a magical product that can heavily cut and finish perfectly, I've had some success with S20 black but it still leaves lots of the deeper marks in paint but does finish well. Still a great product for a single stage polish tho.


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Thats what my worry about S20 is, it wont remove the deeper marks.



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Is this on your own car or other people's cars? plus if it's yours then what colour is it as sometimes on light silver or white paint you can finish nearly LSP ready with Menzerna 400 depending on what cutting pad you choose, but why the hurry and why would you want to skip on the refining stage.
It is for my own cars. They are all different colours - silver, light blue, grey, etc.

In the past I have always done the two step. But like I said, some products like Menzerna refine to a high gloss anyway. It has 8/10 for gloss. Sonax PF 05/05 has 5/6 for gloss.

Will I notice much from refining further?
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I believe you are referring to Sonax PF 05/05? If so, then this has a cut and gloss of 5/6. Trouble is I have not seem any reviews on this product and also not many retailers sell it.



Thats what my worry about S20 is, it wont remove the deeper marks.





It is for my own cars. They are all different colours - silver, light blue, grey, etc.

In the past I have always done the two step. But like I said, some products like Menzerna refine to a high gloss anyway. It has 8/10 for gloss. Sonax PF 05/05 has 5/6 for gloss.

Will I notice much from refining further?
Just because it says 8/10 doesn't mean that it's going to work these are just guide lines, the only way is to do test spots and then you will find out.

I've used most of these cutting compounds before if not all of them and it still depends on what paint, pad, and especially your own technique that gives you the outcome. You have many cars so write down what you have used and this will help you in the future
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Imran recommended Sonax Perfect finish for me, only used it once and was not impressed!
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Imran recommended Sonax Perfect finish for me, only used it once and was not impressed!
Was this 04/06 version? What didn't you like about it?
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