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Old 26-08-2017, 11:23 AM   #1
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Obsidian Black Swirl/hologram nightmare!!!

Morning all, after giving my car (2006 E Class) a full good going over with the DA using a black lake country pad and some megs ultimate compound, Ive not noticed in direct sunlight that Its badly swirled and holographic

Whats the best thing to get them out, ive been using some mega techwax for maintenance and its not to bad after that.

i have megs ultimate compound and ultimate polish
Yellow, green and black lake country pads and a rotary buffer thats not orbital

So what are your Pad and product recommendations please


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Old 26-08-2017, 11:27 AM   #2
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I've no experience of that pad but reading on it, it says it has no cut therefore you'll never remove those.

Need a pad with just a bit more bite
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Old 26-08-2017, 11:29 AM   #3
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I've no experience of that pad but reading on it, it says it has no cut therefore you'll never remove those.

Need a pad with just a bit more bite

So a very light cut?


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Old 26-08-2017, 12:35 PM   #4
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My 2010 C class is the same colour - it is very hard paint indeed - ended up using microfiber pads to get anywhere, then finishing with a "normal" foam pad. it is not perfect, but a damm sight better than when I started
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Old 26-08-2017, 12:39 PM   #5
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Hard paint due to ceramic layer.
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Old 26-08-2017, 07:23 PM   #6
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Morning all, after giving my car (2006 E Class) a full good going over with the DA using a black lake country pad and some megs ultimate compound, Ive not noticed in direct sunlight that Its badly swirled and holographic

Whats the best thing to get them out, ive been using some mega techwax for maintenance and its not to bad after that.

i have megs ultimate compound and ultimate polish
Yellow, green and black lake country pads and a rotary buffer thats not orbital

So what are your Pad and product recommendations please


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Most likely Ceramic paint as already suggested by suspal. German build Mercs of that era in that 197 colour code usually are ceramic, to confirm check your colour code, C197 code means it is.

If it is ceramic it's rock hard. Thankfully there are many products now that deals with ceramic paint very well in 2017, which isn't the case in 2007.

Rotary works well to remove deep defects on such paint, I usually mow down the worst defects with rotary+wool pad and then deal with the severe holograms after with further steps with a DA. Long throw DA with a hybrid wool pad ( short pile whiskers like wool fibre pad for DA ) will work too but still take longer than I would like compared to a rotary.

You can try using your rotary with a stiff foam pad with a compound such as Scholl S3XXL, then refine what's left with a DA with a polishing compound such as M205 or Sonax PF.

Being black any marring/hazing will be quite noticeable, so to minimise this you need to keep the departed paint debris under control. This is even more important with ceramic paint as the debris is more aggressive/sharp than non ceramic paints. So clean your pad after every section and work as clean as you could. Spider pads and hexlogic style pads helps a fair bit with the voids giving the debris somewhere to go instead of grinding the paint.

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what is ceramic coating please
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If you are using a da, as in a normal random orbital machine, its impossible to leave holograms as it doesn't move or break down an abrasive in the correct manor. So I am assuming its one of 2 things

1) its full of dealership holograms and you haven't removed them

2) its actually the "mega tech wax" thats not being buffed properly and leaving product hologramming.

My recommendation would be to buy some quality microfibres, a better compound and try the orange hex pad you have. DONT use the rotary machine
If you find the orange pad works better, buy some more and then refine with the black pad and a quality finishing polish
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what is ceramic coating please
Some Mercedes cars have a ceramic clear coat. After painting, when its baked, a hard ceramic layer migrates to the upper surface adding a resilient surface. This can easily be removed though as its only the top few microns, and then you are left with normal paint
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i have megs ultimate compound and ultimate polish
Yellow, green and black lake country pads and a rotary buffer thats not orbital
UC and UP cannot be used with rotary, you have to use something like 105, 205
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