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Old 21-06-2018, 04:31 PM   #271
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Peter,

I think we are in agreement, So my issue is, why should there be a blanket approach that demands all businesses over a certain size have to make public their financial position. It's not right.
I guess the answer is that having the rights and privileges of a limited company brings with it duties and obligations. I, as a consumer, for example, would benefit from such transparency. I wouldn’t do business with an exploitative boss.
An example would be that I never use Amazon because of their approach to tax, predatory pricing and employment rights. I might end up paying more but none of my money goes into Bezos’s pocket.

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Old 21-06-2018, 04:48 PM   #272
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Honestly and without prejudice, yes.

Actually, many of the things you mention were already the case in the 50s.

We’ve never had an independent nuclear deterrent.

The Windrush migration started in the forties to fill NHS, London Transport and manual labour jobs

Ford, Vauxhall and Citroen had factories here. All foreign owned.

We can choose not to have nuclear power.

There has always been foreign ownership of banks - Rothschild, Barings etc

And foreign coffee shops and milk bars were common if Italian.

So, all things being equal, the only big difference, I suspect, is multiculturalism.

What 50s Britain would recognise is the amount of British money invested abroad. That has also been a common feature.

What has changed is our ability to be the policeman of the world but that does not really affect our own freedoms.

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If all of these are true what control and freedom means in practice? which country has true control and freedom in the world can you give me an example?
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Old 21-06-2018, 04:50 PM   #273
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The simple answer is that we don’t trade on those terms. Tariffs generally hurt those they are trying to protect. We can get most stuff elsewhere from people happy to sell to us.

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Well that is wishful thinking then you will not have trade agreements with UK and india my friend what is the point of brexit then, Are you really imply that a trade deal with New Zealand will compensate for the loss of trade with USA?
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Old 21-06-2018, 09:06 PM   #274
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Well that is wishful thinking then you will not have trade agreements with UK and india my friend what is the point of brexit then, Are you really imply that a trade deal with New Zealand will compensate for the loss of trade with USA?
I'm saying that plenty of countries exist perfectly happily without many (or any) trade deals. They are not mandatory and in most case, actively harmful, IMHO, as they are invariably hijacked by producer interests.

I know it's a minority view but I'd happily settle for unilateral free trade.

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I'm saying that plenty of countries exist perfectly happily without many (or any) trade deals. They are not mandatory and in most case, actively harmful, IMHO, as they are invariably hijacked by producer interests.



I know it's a minority view but I'd happily settle for unilateral free trade.



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So you don’t agree with Economists that have repeatedly said that increased trade friction is a detriment to the UK?

Are you basing all your views on agricultural policy (which is a tiny proportion of both UK and EU GDP)


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life after Brexit.......

The article is a couple of months old, but a nice summary of the costs in various scenarios. The figures come from an Economics professor at Kings - and I tend to value the views of experts (especially if there’s a resounding majority saying the same thing), over wishful thinking and the BS in tabloids.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.t...ff-study-finds


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So you don’t agree with Economists that have repeatedly said that increased trade friction is a detriment to the UK?

Are you basing all your views on agricultural policy (which is a tiny proportion of both UK and EU GDP)


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No, I don't agree. And no, industrial policy ditto (with the exception of some supply chain adjustment (but that has not been an issue for US branches of MB or BMW or Australian car manufacturers, or indeed Nissan etc in the UK.

There is a lot of overblown speculation going on. The truth is neither side can predict with confidence exactly what will happen, except that an equilibrium will be reached longer-term. Most of the fuss is about the very near term.

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Perhaps the airbus workers could pick the fruit
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No, I don't agree. And no, industrial policy ditto (with the exception of some supply chain adjustment (but that has not been an issue for US branches of MB or BMW or Australian car manufacturers, or indeed Nissan etc in the UK.

There is a lot of overblown speculation going on. The truth is neither side can predict with confidence exactly what will happen, except that an equilibrium will be reached longer-term. Most of the fuss is about the very near term.

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Do you have any basis for your statement because I also do not agree that if I jump from tower bridge something bad will happen to me and there is a lot of overblown speculation going on. The truth is neither side can predict with confidence exactly what will happen ...
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