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Old 16-02-2017, 06:10 PM   #1
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Help for new member - please! We have 2 new cars now, (mad I know, especially as a bit OCD) and I realise I have to totally rethink my approach to car cleaning. Not dared to touch them yet, but they are to be prepped and ceramic coated (Liquid Elements 3k Shield) by professional detailer. So out with the sponge and chammy, in with the wash mitt and microtowels and of course 2/3 buckets with grit guards. So far so good! I have purchased pressure washer (not used yet) as been told this is a must. My list of essential kit is getting longer and longer. There seems to be various opinions as to best method to wash and dry. Is the following process essential: to pressure rinse first then snow foam, pressure rinse, shampoo, rinse, dry? I have 2 main concerns; this seems like overkill if car not too dirty, maybe just dusty from garage and I am worried about water spots due to some drying out however quick I am in early rinse stages. I always used to wash, rinse and dry one section at a time, but under new wash regime this will not be possible. I want to get the pure rinse system for final rinse then I will pat dry. Can I use quick detailer at drying stage?
Sorry for the length of this post. As you can see I am very new to all this and though always cleaned our cars for 40 + years I am getting quite confused, but willing to learn! Any sensible advice would be much appreciated. Thanks.

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Old 16-02-2017, 07:31 PM   #2
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Firstly welcome to the forum.

Your detailer will give you all the info you need on how to look after the coating on your car and how to maintain it.

If you garage the cars and they are not too dirty you maybe able to just snow foam and rinse with pure water and leave without touching.
You can't beat a proper pre wash and shampoo wash tho.


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Old 16-02-2017, 08:40 PM   #3
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Thanks for the welcome Gonzo - I guess that's sound advice. Just trying to get myself prepared, but must admit getting a bit neurotic about it. So many questions!
I will have to try out various things on my old car to see what works and of course keep looking on Detailing World forum.
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Old 16-02-2017, 11:37 PM   #4
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In addition to the wise words from great gonzo, I would say detailing is like any other hobby. You can make it as complex or simple as you want.

It would be very easy to spend vast amounts on money on various tools and if you have the space, motivation and money for such things then you will be very happy but if not, it is worth thinking about what you want and what you need to clean your car.

In terms of quickly cleaning the car, there are various rinseless washes for sale which may give you what you want however the first port of call should be your detailer.
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Old 17-02-2017, 10:24 AM   #5
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Hi Bennito,

Welcome along and good on you for taking the time and trouble to hunt us down so you can look after your new cars.

Nope, you're not neurotic, just being sensible with your new cars and getting properly informed . Questions......Ask away.

Great Gonzo and Lowejackson are both guru's.

Many a thread has their freely given expertise gratefully received. Thanks both

Sponge and chamois in the bin is an excellent move.

As you've probably found out there's dozens of products and in the end you pays your money and takes your choice.

If you haven't done already, have a look at the Polished Bliss videos. They are really helpful.

For my twopenneth.

Proper, quality, washing technique keeps the paintwork lovely, keeping swirls at bay.

Bilt Hamber (BH) autofoam (applied with a pump sprayer) and Car Chem 1900:1 shampoo are my "go to" choices.

A couple (or 3) microfibre wash mitts. I use Gtechniq but there's been a really good thread on here recently http://http://www.detailingworld.co....highlight=mitt.

In short, yes you can use a QD, they help to lubricate the drying towel to further reduced the chances of marring the paint. BH do a nice one.

Get a quality drying towel. I use Britemax Ubermax (relatively "small") and a "Drinker" (huge) - there's many more.

Let's have some pics and let us know how you get on.

Good Luck.

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Old 17-02-2017, 01:52 PM   #7
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Thanks Andy,
As my detailer is a Liquid Elements guy and the ceramic coating will be by them, I have been making a list of products from their uk website. The chap there seems very helpful.
At this stage I am worried about getting it wrong and inflicting damage to paintwork.

My 2 main concerns are:

1. Using power washer for rinse and snow foam ie soaking whole car before wash and the risk of water spots and streaks from drying out on windows and paintwork. In the past I have confined myself to one section at a time as this used to happen when I soaked whole car. I guess I can do final rinse with deionised water. I would feel so much better if it were possible to have more control over this. I would love to know how others get around this problem. I know that prewash stage is vital, but can I do this any other way or is power wash rinse and snow foam the best way every time. I notice in a guide you have on site that a gentle hose rinse is suggested. I would have thought this ok if not too dirty. Perhaps power washer could be used for dirtiest lower parts of car?
2. Is pat drying really effective? Surely this leaves some water streaks? Do I get most of water off with one towel before wiping with detailer and will this then need buffing? I have been watching the Ammo guy's videos. He used what he calls a hydrate, presumably similar to QD and just wipes this on with wet towel and leaves it.
You guy's have the benefit of experience, so would value your wise words please.
Many thanks.

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Hi Robert,

Maybe I'm missing something - in which case shout up.

Go back to basics. There's a mucky car that needs cleaning. Everything we do builds on the previous work and is trying to minimise any sort of swirling or anything else that involves correcting it later. So:

Loosen the dirt by wetting it and using water pressure to get the worst off. No hand contact with the paint yet. Let's say 50% clean just as a figure.

Apply snowfoam which is specifically designed to grab hold of the remaining dirt and take it off the car when rinsed off - hence the dwell time. Still no hand contact with the paint. Let's say this takes another 48% off.

Now there’s a, say, a 98% clean car, the last 2% is washed off with a quality, sudsy, lubricated shampoo. This 2% is the reason for the 2BM and a microfibre mitt. We're trying to lift the muck away from the paint as much as possible. When that is rinsed off you should have clean paintwork (bonded fallout etc. excepted). This is the first time you actually touch the car so you want the paint as clean as possible before you do. Imagine what would happen if you took a sponge and rubbed it over the paint without any sort of pre wash .

Now it's drying time. Patting off with the right towel will work perfectly well. Some of us took advantage of an offer on the "Drinker" towel. There's a video - search "drinker"and you'll find it. We're being careful just in case there's an odd bit of grit left.

A QD helps to "lubricate" the drying process which further minimises any chance of adding swirls etc. to the paint. It aids the removal of water and adds an ultra thin layer of "protection" to finish off.

I don't use a pressure washer now, just a hose and spray gun. I apply snowfoam with a pump sprayer so pretty much as soon as it's hosed off, the snowfoam follows. There's been a thread recently about snowfoaming wet or dry. Have a search.

Hope this helps.

Keep asking.

Good luck.

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Thanks Andy for the "idiots" guide! I obviously need this. I understand the theory behind process now.
I suppose I was trying to ask how just how necessary it was to use pressure washer and am interested to hear that you no longer pressure wash and apply snow foam through pump sprayer. Why did you decide this? Presumably you find this equally effective.
You make no mention of paintwork drying before you manage to get round whole car and risk of water spots. I am assuming you don't see this as a problem. We are in a hard water area, so I am wary of this.
Final question! I garage one of the cars and sometimes it will just need a bit of a spruce up due to a layer of dust and damp. Would you recommend a light rinse and dry or the full works? Thanks again.
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Old 18-02-2017, 04:10 PM   #10
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If it's only light dust it maybe an idea to cover the car in the garage, lot quicker than having to wash it.
Now and again I empty my shed and power was the roof and walls to keep the dust down.
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