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Old 16-02-2018, 10:00 PM   #11
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I had a chat with dan from ODK about this with his products, and I can confirm this works very well.
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Old 17-02-2018, 10:15 AM   #12
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I had a chat with dan from ODK about this with his products, and I can confirm this works very well.
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Generally speaking the harsher the cleaner, the quicker it will degrade LSP (wax etc). No defeating the laws of chemistry, I'm afraid.

TFR / APC Products touted as "wax safe" might not strip your wax immediately but they will degrade it.

It is a bit of a trade off as you have found, VP ph Neutral is very kind to wax, but not a great cleaner.
Makes sense. I need to stop thinking in certainties; just touching the paint with a wash mitt will degrade the wax slightly, so I suppose any chemical will degrade it to some extent as you say.

Would you recommend I just snow foam twice perhaps, or do you think I'd benefit more by adding just a small dash of TFR/APC to the snow foam, being careful to not let it linger too long or dry?

Something else I should consider: I use Meg's gold class, and will do until it runs out (I'll go for Adam's or a BH product next). I've read that the MGC can 'clog' up wax. Whilst not a good side effect, will that in itself give a sort of protection to the wax against TFR etc?

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Old 17-02-2018, 12:23 PM   #13
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I use BH Autofoam and that cleans so well, I have no need for a separate pre-wash. I've never found it leaves anything behind but I do wash the car weekly so there's never a build up of muck.
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Old 18-02-2018, 02:36 AM   #14
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I always add 3-4 shots of an APC into any Snowfoam mix I'm using, just become second nature now. Seen it on a YT Video when I was starting out and its sunk in.
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Here is your problem- do you know what’s in the products?

Several well known products in each category simply do not work together. Simply put, some products have positively charged surfactants, some negative. If you mix them, they react together. Best case scenario, they turn into some useless salt that remains soluble. More likely the result isn’t soluble and you can gum up your lance or spray.

If your normal foam doesn’t cut it, why not just get a small bottle of something stronger, designed by people who know what they are doing, rather than taking mostly blind guesses? This sort of nonchalance with chemicals is the principle reason for harm occurring in use.
That's me told! I added ~50ml of Surfex HD to about 350ml Snow foam, filling the remaining 600ml with water. It seemed to work quite well against the large amount of salt and winter grime that had accumulated over the last week.

Whilst it may not be chemically or technically the best method, it seemed to do the job well for me, and it's not something I plan on doing often. Ideally, I would attack the car with a diluted citrus cleaner before snow foaming, but I didn't have any. I thought adding a very small amount of APC to the snow foam would aid the bite.
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