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Old 27-07-2017, 01:23 PM   #1
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When to use paint cleansers?

Just wondering when is suitable to use paint cleansers?

I realise they deep clean paint, however wouldn't a finishing polish like M205 do the same job but also leave a better finish to the paint?
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Old 27-07-2017, 02:05 PM   #2
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No point in removing clearcoat or paint when there are no actual defects to remove - this is where a non abrasive paint cleaner comes into it's own.
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Old 27-07-2017, 02:16 PM   #3
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Read this

http://www.detailingworld.co.uk/foru...d.php?t=396592
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It's worth noting that there are abrasives and abrasives. The particles in "proper" polishes and compounds are typically aluminium oxide, which is one of the hardest substances known. A number of paint cleaners have light abrasives in them, but they are not hard enough to really cut the paint*, and instead just increase the cleaning effect.

If you have reasonably hard paint, and some light swirling, then a quick run over with a finishing pad and a finishing polish may well clean the paint as well as correct the marks, but it's not something I'd want to make a habit of - you always want to leave the clearcoat on the car if you have a choice - once it's gone you can't put it back.

*unless your paint is very much at the softer end of the spectrum, at which point the cut from the pad is also a meaningful consideration
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It's worth noting that there are abrasives and abrasives. The particles in "proper" polishes and compounds are typically aluminium oxide, which is one of the hardest substances known. A number of paint cleaners have light abrasives in them, but they are not hard enough to really cut the paint*, and instead just increase the cleaning effect.

If you have reasonably hard paint, and some light swirling, then a quick run over with a finishing pad and a finishing polish may well clean the paint as well as correct the marks, but it's not something I'd want to make a habit of - you always want to leave the clearcoat on the car if you have a choice - once it's gone you can't put it back.

*unless your paint is very much at the softer end of the spectrum, at which point the cut from the pad is also a meaningful consideration

Great reply as always Ghost.

I enjoy using M205 as it leaves a great glossy finish, I didn't realise it had a great deal of cutting ability when used with a polishing pad.

Is there such a finishing polish that leaves as good a finish but doesn't cut at all?
Or do paint cleaners do this? I didn't think paint cleaners were able to leave as good a finish as M205 etc.?
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Old 27-07-2017, 08:13 PM   #6
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Great reply as always Ghost.

I enjoy using M205 as it leaves a great glossy finish, I didn't realise it had a great deal of cutting ability when used with a polishing pad.

Is there such a finishing polish that leaves as good a finish but doesn't cut at all?
Or do paint cleaners do this? I didn't think paint cleaners were able to leave as good a finish as M205 etc.?
Scholl S40 is a finishing polish with very little cut (from what I've read less than 205) - it's also diminishing so as time goes on it cuts less and less, where's as 205 just keeps on cutting as it's not a diminishing polish. Of course the amount of clear removed will be dependent on how hard it is, pressure applied and speed of machine, but it can have a reasonable level of cut to it.

Other brands also do super fine finishing polishes.

You could also consider something like Britemax Blackmax, which is pretty much designed for the purpose you're describing, leaves a great gloss (there's a review on here) and will also clean the paint.

There's also DDJ Lime Prime (Lite), Bilt Hamber Cleanser Polish, M&K Pure, etc etc - all can be applied by DA on a light polishing (or finishing or glazing) pad, cleaning the paint and leaving a high gloss. They won't do much in the way of correction but if you've already sorted the paint, then that's what you want to look after your clear.
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is britemax blackmax ok on light colour cars like silver.
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is britemax blackmax ok on light colour cars like silver.
Yes, despite the name it can be used on any colour of car
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On the Lowie Detailing Days we always clean and decontaminate whatever car we are working on.
We then step back and look at the clean car we have achieved!

We then use some paint cleanser either my DA or by hand and then marvel at how dirty the residue is.

You honestly don't believe how much dirt gets ingrained into the paint
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Pretty much agree with all the other replies.
I have SRP and Prima Amigo that I use by hand to cleanse the paint before applying my LSP which is Soft 99 Fusso.
Not only do you see the ingrained dirt on the applicator pad but the difference you feel when applying the wax later is very noticeable.
The wax goes on and comes off like a breeze.
Without the paint cleanse waxing on wasn't enjoyable at all, and buffing off was a nightmare, taking ages and requiring alot of elbow grease!
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