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Old 29-01-2018, 09:11 PM   #1
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PreWax Cleansers?

So I've just taken delivery of a brand new car, and the (crap) factory wax/sealant needs to come off.

I don't want to take a machine polisher near it for a few reasons, so please don't tell me to do a full paint correction on a brand new car

Are there any cleansers, citrus or otherwise, that can help remove all the road dirt, salt, and the factory wax/sealant? I want to remove it so I can put a good coat or two of BH Double Speed wax on.

Products I will be using:
Valet Pro PH Neutral Snow Foam
2BM with Meguiars Gold Class
Decon paint with auto finesse fallout remover and a tar remover (to buy still)
Wax

Are there any cleansers that I can just add to the snow foam and apply via pressure washer? Some people are saying use fairy liquid (dish soap) but I've always been reluctant to use that as I remember reading it can damage certain plastics and rubbers.

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Old 30-01-2018, 11:00 AM   #2
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Here's a recent thread that might help if you've not seen it

http://www.detailingworld.co.uk/foru...d.php?t=402369
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Old 30-01-2018, 11:27 AM   #3
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Thanks all. I was pretty sure snow foam alone wouldn't touch it; I need something alkaline.

I've pretty much settled on BH Surfex HD; I haven't seen a bad word about it. I was going to get Dodojuice Crudzilla, but the BH is cheaper and better by many accounts. I was a little worried that the DJ stuff would be a little too strong.

So, this is my planned approach:

Rinse
25% concentrated BH Surfex HD sprayed onto entire car and leave for ~4 mins
Rinse
Snow foam
Rinse
2BM Wash
Rinse
Decon with tar remover and fallout remover.
Rinse/wash
Dry with woolly mammoth drying towel (thinking about getting a Titan wetvac/blower too)
BH DS wax

Then every few weeks, I'll just do a maintenance wash and top up the LSP with the AG Aqua wax.

Sound like a plan? Or should the cleanser be agitated by hand to ensure the removal of TF and wax?
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Old 30-01-2018, 11:51 AM   #4
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At that concentration level, I would avoid using it on any plastics and metal effect trims.
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Old 30-01-2018, 12:09 PM   #5
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At that concentration level, I would avoid using it on any plastics and metal effect trims.
Thanks, 25% was just a figure off the top of my head. I've not used an APC, TFR, or cleanser before, so I'm all ears to concentration recommendations. 10%, seeing as the car hasn't been washed yet and is covered in salt etc.? As I say, the only reason I need/want to use a stronger cleaner such as a TFR on a brand new car is to remove the factory sealant ready to apply my own coat or two of wax.

Watching videos of TFR (not sure of the brand or concentration used), it doesn't look all that effective at getting rid of tar spots, so I'll need to top up my tar remover. Any recommendations? I'll be buying from CYC or Amazon.
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Old 30-01-2018, 12:55 PM   #6
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For BH Surfex my maximum concentration levels (product:water) would be:

Painted panels - 1:5
Plastics & Trims - 1:20

The key thing is to ensure that these strong Alkaline APC's and TFR's don't dry out when on the car.

Looking at the Clean Your Cars website, Auto Finesse Oblitarate would be what I'd choose for tar removal duties.
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Old 30-01-2018, 01:07 PM   #7
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For BH Surfex my maximum concentration levels (product:water) would be:

Painted panels - 1:5
Plastics & Trims - 1:20

The key thing is to ensure that these strong Alkaline APC's and TFR's don't dry out when on the car.

Looking at the Clean Your Cars website, Auto Finesse Oblitarate would be what I'd choose for tar removal duties.
Thanks. I'll bear that in mind. I was looking at the valet Pro tar and glue remover £7 for 500ml and in a spray bottle. Having said that, what ever tar remover I get will need diluting too, yes?
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Old 30-01-2018, 01:12 PM   #8
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use AG SRP and you are good to go with waxing
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Old 30-01-2018, 01:24 PM   #9
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The Valet Pro Citrus Tar & Glue remover doesnt need diluting and its also what i use at the moment.
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Old 30-01-2018, 01:32 PM   #10
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Valet Pro make good products, I've no experience of that one though. AF Oblitarate doesn't require diluting, again just don't let those products dry out.
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