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Old 15-03-2017, 06:02 PM   #641
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I think Steve should do what HE wants to do with the car after all it is his car. The modifications are small and can be changed easily by the next owner if they want. I like the doorcards tbh and as far as the red stripe goes as its not under the clear coat so it can be removed at a later date. I think buyers would be more worried about the condition of the shell and engine than the door cards tbh
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Old 15-03-2017, 06:17 PM   #642
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Lovely car have you checked the sills and it your car and you can do as you please with
It
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Old 15-03-2017, 07:38 PM   #643
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I have been neither aggressive nor rude! I simply cannot believe that anyone
could get so vexed about a lining pinstripe - really?

Thank you Nick, your post proves two points. First, that jealousy is not a very
pleasant emotion and second is the nonsense of willy-waving as I've already
explained. There is no consistency of approach. Way back when, I was being
admonished for keeping an expenditure tally. I was told that it's not about
the value. Now, apparently, it's_all_ about the value. I can't win, but I am
allowed to disagree!
Jealous...you seem to forget I owned for 9 years a near showroom condition 1 previous owner Full history Peugeot 205 1.9GTI that featured(under my ownership) in a number of main stream car magazines, It was uses by Peugeot UK for nearly every launch event for the 208 GTI, It had been on Top Gear, James May's Cars of the people, A Clarkson DVD and also Goodwood Road Racing Club for a short film on hot hatches least not forgetting going under the scrutiny of all at DW in the Wax Stock Top 16 twice!

I fully stripped and restored the car myself (bar the paint and welding)...the thread is probably still on here and on Piston Heads too!

I sold the car last year in June because I felt my journey with it had come to its natural end and it wanted it to go onto someone else to appreciate and enjoy and I hankered after a TVR Chimaera...

Jealous of your R5 GT Turbo I am anything but sir!

I do believe you really do need to stop and listen to people when they offer advice...whilst nobody is forcing you to do anything at least do them the polite service of listening and nodding.

All the folk including myself have done is make a comment since you are spending so much time "trying" to do it properly (or at least by the folks that are doing the work for you). Non-of us are experts and the DW family on the whole is one that is of the ethos of helping each other and sharing. I for one have learnt a huge amount over the years and being very close to the classic car markets I can only but share my insight to what is desirable and what is not.

The fact that you jump down peoples throats the minute they say someting you don't agree with will only stop people wanting to help...I for one find it quite abrasive and unpleasant.

But as has been said its your car and you are perfectly capable of doing your own thing...maybe a little introspective look back at how you communicate would be a good thing....if you cant see what I am on about then people are going to give up on you and your threads...the end of the day we are all here for a common cause the love of cars!
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Old 15-03-2017, 09:04 PM   #644
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I've had 3 of these. Got my first one, an F plate Tungsten model whilst I was 17, got rid of my last one which at one stage was a circa 300BHP spec last year.

It'd always been my intention to take my last one down to a bare shell and go for a concourse rebuild on it but I was struggling for time and motivation so got shot.

I must agree with some other people, the big hitters in terms of resale are those that are standard. I also agree that red stripe looks awful.

It's not like I'm a purist, I think they'd look great in that recent Renault green colour (like viper green on the VW's) but I'd have had it factory white, with the decals and morettes. Welded/flushed door locks/foreign & rear wiper holes, small drop, 16" Borbet C's, big power, silicone hoses, clear repeaters/indicators/fogs and the interior with grey alcantara centres with the red flecks (factory style) with leather bolsters.

For me, modifying is about improving what something was as standard whilst paying homage to what grabbed you in the first place. Well, that's my current outlook as one of my GT Turbos was bought a Dimma Kit, Carisma front bumper and rear wing and 17" venoms! LOL
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Old 15-03-2017, 10:27 PM   #645
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Hello Folks,

Can I get back to reporting the progress on this resto? I went to see Karl to
make arrangements for the Coupé's annual visit ahead of its MOT on Friday.
I have to say that we had a good laugh over just how exercised some people
can get over a 1990s phenomenon; nothing more than a couple of pinstripes.
Back then nobody, but nobody gave a hoot; it was all about over-the-top bits
of body kit as has been described. It really is too funny for words!

So, down to progress. Most of the wiring queries have now been resolved,
with what looked like a surplus plug actually being a connection for the
reversing light. The heatshield is in, but temporarily, to be able to properly
align the exhaust down-pipe. That still needs to be drilled-out for its sensor.

So, we are now very few hours away from re-inserting the key, turning it and
hoping that it starts.

These photos show a quick trip around the car...







Oh dear, could this be the start of the next furore? I can assure you that the
replacement Elf decal is _exactly_ placed where the original was...



The _only_ protection applied to the car is on the plastic mirror brackets.
Until it has its new coatings applied, the car will probably only be rinseless
or bucketless washed.

















Still to be addressed are the rubber inserts of the rear window brackets.
Prices for replacements are stupid, so we'll seek to resolve this as simply
as we can...



It could be as early as next week when I'm back out boosting, I can't wait!

Regards,
Steve

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Old 15-03-2017, 10:49 PM   #646
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Liking the progress, I've not commented on this or any of your other threads so we have no history.

I'm slightly confused as to why you go to the detail of recreating the stickers that the car was sold with to make it like new but then alter the appearance with aftermarket stripes and different door cards.

Hopefully in a week when it's running, all of the pain will seem to be worth it. Perhaps worth waiting till at least then before making the mods?
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Old 16-03-2017, 12:17 AM   #647
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This is all getting a pathetic now guys. Let the guy who owns the car do what he wants with it. He's keeping a classic alive by dedicating his own resource to it. Suggest you either support him or just keep quiet. Critiquing due to non-OEM stripes serves zero purpose on an informative, interesting detailing thread. If you want that opportunity take it up in the concours world.
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Old 16-03-2017, 02:09 AM   #648
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I'm slightly confused as to why you go to the detail of recreating the stickers that the car was sold with to make it like new but then alter the appearance with aftermarket stripes and different door cards
Right from the start, my aim was to restore as much of the original car as
I could. The driver's side doorcard, as they were prone to do, had quite a
large crack in the armrest. Repairing, and more importantly strengthening,
that side meant that there was further damage to the original cloth covering
that had been vacuum-stretched into position. The repair has a thin metal
reinforcement encased in glassfibre. Not that you can tell..



The rear seat cards, as they were prone to do, had their fabric fraying at the
edges so I had no choice but to do something. Vacuum-stretching of fabric
is a 1980s technology that has long since disappeared from the planet. So,
it was a choice of rubbish cards, attempting to find new (very old stock) cards
or even using Ph:1 cards that fit but are uncovered grey plastic.

The remaining choice was to repair and recover the cards the car left the
factory with. They have been recovered in top quality Heron Grey leather
in a shade very close to the original. I have already explained why I wanted
the red inserts, which pick up the pattern in the seats.

If I could have found NOS cards then I would be compelled to keep the car
well out of the sun lest the fabric fall away again. On cards that would cost
an arm and a leg, that was quickly discounted as an option. It's all very
well having OE ambitions, but they do come with limiting consequences that
some are choosing to ignore.

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In 2013 I said...
The eventual goal is to get the car pristine - I'm not a fan of concours where
it goes to the point where you dare not drive it. It's gonna gleam in all the
right places, but I'm not gonna forget that it's a fun car and I'm fully intending
to enjoy that aspect of it for as long as I can! If it becomes a garage queen,
that's for its next owner to decide...
The problem with trying to return a car to original original is not only in
knowing when to stop, but in wondering if you're creating a museum piece
that you're frightened to use and/or you need to drive like it's got its brakes
stuck. I have simply followed the very mantra that I stated right at the start.

I'm not in the slightest bit interested in breaking sales price records. The
car lives in a garage down what can be a muddy track or a very dusty one.
What I have restored is a car that I and my successors can use, go to track
days in or park in a show field, all without any worries. It all adds up to one
word: Fun!!

The car throughout the 24 years in my ownership has had its red coachlines.
That is the car's own history. It's the history of what happened to cars in the
1980s/90s. I really do not see what the problem is and why people are so
vexed about it. It's not like I'm thinking of applying them to my 2009 car!

I'm beginning to regret updating this thread. Enough now, eh?

Regards,
Steve

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To echo what was said earlier, it is your car, do what you like You're hardly fitting a big nasty fibreglass body kit, its a couple of stripes ffs! I think the changes inside are great and make perfect sense.

As you said, it is not meant to be a museum piece as you end up scared to use them with is ridiculous!
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Old 16-03-2017, 09:26 AM   #650
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For me, this convo is closed..

Regards,
Steve
Fair enough.
I'll bow out here..Good luck with the car
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