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Old 07-12-2015, 02:29 PM   #1
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Taller beads- possible?

A quick simple question but to increase the contact angle of the beads, therefore resulting in taller beads, would the oils or wax be the biggest contributer to this? I've always had good beadage but seem quite 'short' compared to some professional waxes I've tried.

I know this doesn't determine what is a good wax or not, it's just something I thought could be worth having a play to achieve taller beads but unsure where the focus should be.

For reference, this is what I'm getting but wanted to try getting the beads to stand taller:






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Old 09-12-2015, 01:15 PM   #2
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Try additives, its a quick way of doing so and as you say doesnt mean the wax is any better but it does indicate the surface tension and water repellent properties
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Old 09-12-2015, 02:32 PM   #3
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By additives, do you mean experimenting with different oils or adding other elements?
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Old 09-12-2015, 03:39 PM   #4
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why do want the beads to stand taller? and how much taller? do you measure them before you drive off? something that i have never thought about tight beading yes but not this
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Old 10-12-2015, 12:23 PM   #5
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Of course I do, I measure each and every one to ensure consistent height 😁

As above, it was more out of curiosity as to how it is possible to increase contact angle, thus showing increased surface tension (if my science is accurate there ) which means less 'bond' to the surface which in turn reduces the friction between the water and panel.

So there is a certain practical gain to be had from making the beads taller, just curious as to how this is actually achieved as I enjoy the experimental side of wax making so if I know what element to focus on then I can test this accordingly.
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Old 10-12-2015, 01:09 PM   #6
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I guess contact angle will be a direct corrolation to hydrophobia? Increase one you;ll increase contact angle. I'm not sure how that affects bead heights though.

Anyway I think most oils are really carriers and evaporate off once applied to the paint? So they should not make a big difference.
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Old 10-12-2015, 01:41 PM   #7
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Yes, I'm thinking now that 'surface tension' possibly isn't quite accurate when describing contact angle, possibly. I don't claim to be a scientist lol so I may have used the wrong terminology and maybe hydropobia/hydrophobic may have been more accurate.
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Old 10-12-2015, 01:53 PM   #8
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No, having checked to confirm, high surface tension IS accurate to describe the contact angle formed from the beads on the surface of the panel so I was correct using this to describe what I was referring to.
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Old 10-12-2015, 02:32 PM   #9
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what vehicle is that in those pics?
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