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Old 06-08-2018, 10:55 AM   #1
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Using far to much product??

Just getting in to cleaning my own car/vans/motorbikes but seem to be pretty much going through a bottle of product each clean and the vehicle still needs more!!

My vans are hammered and left in all sorts of locations so need to be cleaned regularly, I generally just take them to the local side of the road car washers.

But since Iíve bought pretty much all the gear for my own car I thought Iíd do the vans too.

However, once Iíve done the rinse, polar ice snow foam, everything is litterally stuck on the paint, bird poo, tar, dirt, grime! Seriously yesterday it took 10 minutes of scrubbing just to clean one panel, so I started to use the autoglym tar remover along with magma, left to dwell and life was so much easier, although I had to re-apply over and over again! By the time I had done half the van I was almost out of both and these were new bottles!

Was a very expensive car wash! Is there a better product than autoglym tar remover and magma as this process is going to have to be used each wash and the time and product cost is a bit much!!

Iíve watched lots of YouTube videos on detailing but the cars are fairly clean before they even start to wash them!

I spent 2 hours cleaning my Astra the other day to all the different products a week later it pretty much all needs doing again, £20/30 a car wash is a bit much, Iíve got to be doing something wrong here????
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Just getting in to cleaning my own car/vans/motorbikes but seem to be pretty much going through a bottle of product each clean and the vehicle still needs more!!

My vans are hammered and left in all sorts of locations so need to be cleaned regularly, I generally just take them to the local side of the road car washers.

But since Iíve bought pretty much all the gear for my own car I thought Iíd do the vans too.

However, once Iíve done the rinse, polar ice snow foam, everything is litterally stuck on the paint, bird poo, tar, dirt, grime! Seriously yesterday it took 10 minutes of scrubbing just to clean one panel, so I started to use the autoglym tar remover along with magma, left to dwell and life was so much easier, although I had to re-apply over and over again! By the time I had done half the van I was almost out of both and these were new bottles!

Was a very expensive car wash! Is there a better product than autoglym tar remover and magma as this process is going to have to be used each wash and the time and product cost is a bit much!!

Iíve watched lots of YouTube videos on detailing but the cars are fairly clean before they even start to wash them!

I spent 2 hours cleaning my Astra the other day to all the different products a week later it pretty much all needs doing again, £20/30 a car wash is a bit much, Iíve got to be doing something wrong here????
10 minutes of scrubbing holy **** are you trying to ruin your paint.

What LSP do the vehicles have, sounds like no protection on them
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Old 06-08-2018, 11:03 AM   #3
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I think once you’ve gone through the hell with the vans for the time, the next time should be a lot easier. Even a maintenance wash every week will make a difference
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Old 06-08-2018, 11:28 AM   #4
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I’ll be honest, I was just going to use autoglym EGP but after spending so long scrubbing and cleaning and £20 on half the van in products I litterally only cleaned half the van properly so didn’t use anything! Litterally looked at it today and it’s covered in bird poo, fly poo, tar and it’s only been out this morning!

Is there a more cost effective and more aggressive tar and fall out remover??
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Old 06-08-2018, 11:35 AM   #5
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As above, getting your vehicle to a state that you find acceptable is the hardest bit

There isn’t much point on blitzing a car with iron remover every week (although you see a lot of people who get the AF from Halfords doing so). Iron removers are also to be used after washing the car to remove any embedded iron from the paint.

Tar remover should be used on isolated areas where you can actually see tar spots.

Snow foam will help loosen dirt and reduce amount of swirls and scratches inflicted while washing but will not replace a contact wash.

Get your van to a decent standard by washing, iron and tar removing, clay the car. If you are bothered, spend the time polishing it with a DA or rotary, otherwise top up with a durable wax or sealant. (E.g BH double speed wax, menzerna powerlock, collonite 845, FK1000p, or other similar product - there’s thousands!)

Wash your van once a week if you can. Also something like Koch Chemie greenstar sent through a weed pump sprayer at 10:1 is a very effective pre wash and is great on wheels so that may be worth looking into if your not happy with foam. (Soaked for a couple minutes then jet washed off and don’t allow to dry) I always hit my exhaust with it and then with the power washer alone it removes any carbon build up since the last wash
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Iíll be honest, I was just going to use autoglym EGP but after spending so long scrubbing and cleaning and £20 on half the van in products I litterally only cleaned half the van properly so didnít use anything! Litterally looked at it today and itís covered in bird poo, fly poo, tar and itís only been out this morning!

Is there a more cost effective and more aggressive tar and fall out remover??
To be honest I think youve got the wrong approach, you need to perform a full decontamination

1)Prewash and snow foam

2)Clean seals and plastic with APC & Wash (using washing up liquid).

3) Dry.

4)Tar Remover

5)Rinse.

6)Dry.

7)Fallout remover.

8)Rinse.

9)Clay with car still wet.

10)Wash to remove clay residue.

11)Polish

12)Seal

Their is plenty of information of detailing world just use google.

and most of the detailing vids you see on you tube the cars are probably already sealed.

Once in a good condition, wash one a week, and top up sealant with dodo juice future armor.

Dont scrub the paint just glide the mit over otherwise you will ad more scratches, search on hear for safe wash methods
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That is the procedure I was going to use! However after 3 pre washes and 3 snow foams also using a brush and APC on certain areas during each wash! The van still needed to be scrubbed to remove the dirt and grime! As I didn’t want to scratch the paint I started to use the tar remover and Magma! The van is covered in tar, bug, fall out hence using a lot of it!! it’s a white van too so everything stands out!!

I will post a picture of the side of the van I didn’t use fall out or tar remover on! Although the van has still had 3 snow foams, hand wash and another rinse!
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Just keep using apc but use a stronger solution, leave it to dwell a little longer etc . Grime should just blast off with a pressure wash. Shouldn’t need to scrub. Let the product work for you.
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Was using gtechniq APC I’ve read about autosmart tardis being a great product but can’t find it in anything less than 5 litres, is there another more cost effective fall out remover??

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Farmingstock, Powermaxxed Tar Off is a very good tar removing product that is cheap and comes in sensible sizes.

I'd echo what everyone else is trying to tell you though - Don't use tar remover to try and remove other dirt, same for fallout remover. Get the paint 'clean' first without harsh scrubbing using APC. Once it's clean, then use the other chemicals.

To stop it being so hard to clean next time, it really needs to have a protection product. As it's a van, get a very durable sealant on it.
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