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Old 10-06-2018, 07:57 AM   #21
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I'm sure it was stripping my Lsp. I have changed to a pump spray and now no problem as easier to get the dilution ratios correct.

Then when I'm going to clay/polish the car I get the foam gun out with polar blast and go full foam

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Old 11-06-2018, 12:34 PM   #22
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If it dilutes the beeding then that isn't wax safe in my opinion so BH need to respond.
Thorough rinsing with cold water is essential after use as traces of the surfactant otherwise left will reduce beading. It's also important as the ambient temps increase to watch out for hot/warm body panels ( esp on dark colours) as you will easily get to the cloud point (CP) of the applied detergent/snow foam/ apc. As the CP is reached the products go up a gear in performance. So in summer less product is needed than winter, so typically 2% when warm will do what 4% does in winter.

Not all LSP's are equal - I've seen some that can be removed with surfactant mild enough for making baby shampoo, difficult to make a cleaning product of any use whatsoever if we have to accommodate this type of LSP - they are there to protect and should do IMO against routine cleaning agents.
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Thorough rinsing with cold water is essential after use as traces of the surfactant otherwise left will reduce beading. It's also important as the ambient temps increase to watch out for hot/warm body panels ( esp on dark colours) as you will easily get to the cloud point (CP) of the applied detergent/snow foam/ apc. As the CP is reached the products go up a gear in performance. So in summer less product is needed than winter, so typically 2% when warm will do what 4% does in winter.

Not all LSP's are equal - I've seen some that can be removed with surfactant mild enough for making baby shampoo, difficult to make a cleaning product of any use whatsoever if we have to accommodate this type of LSP - they are there to protect and should do IMO against routine cleaning agents.
Great stuff I'll definitely reduce the amount of product to see how it fairs with my applied DSW LSP. Agreed, the foam does require thorough rinsing.
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Old 11-06-2018, 03:52 PM   #24
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So update ref the Auto Foam. Used the exact same strength ratio to wash another car that is coated with gyeon wetcoat. It wasnít as warm and this was a silver metallic s max as opposed to my deep pearl black golf.

There was no apparent reduction in the beading and the LSP held up perfectly fine.

I know itís a different LSP but Iíve found wetcoat doesnít last as long as collinite in normal conditions so I can only presume the residual heat of my roof has caused the auto foam to strip the collinite.

Iíll definitely be reducing the impact ratio to 1 or 2 percent as my car is never that dirty anyway.


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Old 11-06-2018, 04:00 PM   #25
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So update ref the Auto Foam. Used the exact same strength ratio to wash another car that is coated with gyeon wetcoat. It wasnít as warm and this was a silver metallic s max as opposed to my deep pearl black golf.

There was no apparent reduction in the beading and the LSP held up perfectly fine.

I know itís a different LSP but Iíve found wetcoat doesnít last as long as collinite in normal conditions so I can only presume the residual heat of my roof has caused the auto foam to strip the collinite.

Iíll definitely be reducing the impact ratio to 1 or 2 percent as my car is never that dirty anyway.



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If its hot enough to affect a wax e.g softening it then surly you shouldent be washing in that condition
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It was a hot day. But car was in the shade and panel temp didnít feel that warm. Iíve used other snow foams in hotter conditions and theyíve never stripped wax. But every days a learning day


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Well all I'll say is that I've been using AF at 4% for years and my car's LSP of Collinite 845 and BSD has never been affected by it.
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Old 12-06-2018, 08:31 AM   #28
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I use 50ml and top with water to 500-600ml in the lance and have never had any issues. Auto Foam has always performed superbly for me. Been doing it that way for years.
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I've just used BH Auto Foam again today. Ambient was around 15c. Impact ratio 3%. LSP used is BH Double Speed Wax. The foam didn't strip the Wax. Beeding and sheeting acted normal. Cold water used only.
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