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Old 06-06-2018, 06:46 AM   #21
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Bear Car Care Immaculate is the best shampoo I’ve ever used by a long stretch. Very slick and foamy, wax safe, great cleaning and smells delicious. Well worth tracking a stockest down or order from their website.

Was recommended Immaculate but nearly didn’t bother as its hard to find and thought it would be just anorher shampoo to the list i’ve tried and never bought again but Immaculate is something special.

The only negative is it’s only available in 500ml bottles at the moment.
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Old 06-06-2018, 07:19 AM   #22
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They alter and reduce the ability of the wax to repel water and consequently dirt. They may not wear the wax away but they do reduce it's effectiveness all the same so I would argue they are not wax safe in that respect.

Description for cleanmax below:

Removes Tough Grime

Polymer & Wax Fortified

Rapid Sheeting Action

High Gloss Finish

pH Balanced

Non Alkaline

Pleasant Grape Scent

Also availabe in*retail size 946ml

Also availabe in*pro trade bulk US gallons

Leaves a gloss finish, how do you think it achieves that? Not slating cleanmax as I love it but if I wanted a wax safe shampoo it would be pure max. As for gold class that is well documented for years to clog up and reduce the ability of an LSP to repel water.



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All depends on your definition of wax safe.

If you define wax safe as not altering the behaviour of the wax then you would need a pure pH neutral type shampoo.

If you define wax safe as not stripping or shortening the life of the wax then a shampoo with added gloss enhancers or wax could increase the life of the wax as it layers a degree of protection over the wax.


Worth remembering that lots on here use a QD or drying aid, which will alter the wax behaviour (and can lengthen the life of the wax or even shorten it).

PS even car chem 1900-1 touted as a "pure shampoo does have some rinse aid in it
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All depends on your definition of wax safe.

If you define wax safe as not altering the behaviour of the wax then you would need a pure pH neutral type shampoo.

If you define wax safe as not stripping or shortening the life of the wax then a shampoo with added gloss enhancers or wax could increase the life of the wax as it layers a degree of protection over the wax.


Worth remembering that lots on here use a QD or drying aid, which will alter the wax behaviour (and can lengthen the life of the wax or even shorten it).

PS even car chem 1900-1 touted as a "pure shampoo does have some rinse aid in it
Well said
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Old 06-06-2018, 02:39 PM   #24
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All depends on your definition of wax safe.

If you define wax safe as not altering the behaviour of the wax then you would need a pure pH neutral type shampoo.

If you define wax safe as not stripping or shortening the life of the wax then a shampoo with added gloss enhancers or wax could increase the life of the wax as it layers a degree of protection over the wax.


Worth remembering that lots on here use a QD or drying aid, which will alter the wax behaviour (and can lengthen the life of the wax or even shorten it).

PS even car chem 1900-1 touted as a "pure shampoo does have some rinse aid in it
Reading into my original post I think it's quite clear what I consider wax safe

As for 1900:1 containing rinse aids, haven't read that in any description for the product from carchem and no mention of it on their site.



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Reading into my original post I think it's quite clear what I consider wax safe

As for 1900:1 containing rinse aids, haven't read that in any description for the product from carchem and no mention of it on their site.



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So based on your statement you also deam any quick detailer NOT wax safe as it will alter the LSP

Make sure you tell every one that QD's are not wax safe im sure most people on hear will believe you
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Reading into my original post I think it's quite clear what I consider wax safe

As for 1900:1 containing rinse aids, haven't read that in any description for the product from carchem and no mention of it on their site.



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If you search the car chem section you would find a post from car chem stating that it does.
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Old 06-06-2018, 07:41 PM   #27
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Reading into my original post I think it's quite clear what I consider wax safe

As for 1900:1 containing rinse aids, haven't read that in any description for the product from carchem and no mention of it on their site.



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Your definition of wax safe would appear to be at odds with the majority of people on here. Correct me if I am wrong but you appear to say that any shampoo which alters the water behavoiur of the wax is not wax safe?
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I bought some of this recently and yes I'd concur. It was so poor I thought I hadn't put enough in the bucket, although it was the directed amount.
Yes, this is what I thought a good few years ago, but read up it was made this way, but it does work very well indeed

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Bear Car Care Immaculate is the best shampoo I’ve ever used by a long stretch. Very slick and foamy, wax safe, great cleaning and smells delicious. Well worth tracking a stockest down or order from their website.

Was recommended Immaculate but nearly didn’t bother as its hard to find and thought it would be just anorher shampoo to the list i’ve tried and never bought again but Immaculate is something special.

The only negative is it’s only available in 500ml bottles at the moment.
Funny enough, I was reading about this the other day, unfortunately, no-one near me sells it and postage does increase the cost for as you say 500ml.
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So based on your statement you also deam any quick detailer NOT wax safe as it will alter the LSP

Make sure you tell every one that QD's are not wax safe im sure most people on hear will believe you
That is just an idiotic way of viewing this whole post though and in fact isn't worth an educated reply. I'd rather communicate with the guys on here that don't actively look to cause arguments. Certainly QDs out there that aren't wax safe though, FSE is one of them.

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