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Old 07-06-2018, 08:21 PM   #11
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I applied CSL and EXO V2 to one side of my car August 2016. It was applied outside with no cover and left outside over night.

It's still performing better than any other product I've used before, beading is still excellent and is so easy to wash off compared to those panels with conventional waxes and sealants.

When family time allows I'll be applying it to the majority of panels on the wife's car.
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Old 13-06-2018, 05:34 PM   #12
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It requires a stricter and more thorough maintenance compared to a wax.
I don't get this at all and it doesn't chime with my experience.

I've tried all sorts of the latest hotshot waxes for years all the way up to having a car professionally corrected and then finished with Zymol Royale.

No wax has ever lasted well for me on a a car that's actually used in the UK. Looks nice and shiny - quite possibly better for a while than ceramics - doesn't last. It all may as well be snakeoil in my experience.

I could not go back from ceramic coatings now (Gtechniq works for me - others may be as good of better - don't know/not bothered).

My maintenance is very slack on the daily drivers (sometimes months go by). I prefer to leave alone if I don't have time to do it properly. The only thing which seems to need care is anything like bird poo and possibly leaving bugs too long. But I don't think that's particularly different for ceramic coatings compared to wax.
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Old 15-06-2018, 02:54 PM   #13
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I don't get this at all and it doesn't chime with my experience.

I've tried all sorts of the latest hotshot waxes for years all the way up to having a car professionally corrected and then finished with Zymol Royale.

No wax has ever lasted well for me on a a car that's actually used in the UK. Looks nice and shiny - quite possibly better for a while than ceramics - doesn't last. It all may as well be snakeoil in my experience.

I could not go back from ceramic coatings now (Gtechniq works for me - others may be as good of better - don't know/not bothered).

My maintenance is very slack on the daily drivers (sometimes months go by). I prefer to leave alone if I don't have time to do it properly. The only thing which seems to need care is anything like bird poo and possibly leaving bugs too long. But I don't think that's particularly different for ceramic coatings compared to wax.
But why are people using citrus washes with ceramic coatings? Surely the point of the ceramic coating is you don't require so many stages of cleaning, ph neutral snowfoam, 2bm(if absolutely filthy) and dry?

I think stricter in the sense of less aggressive cleaners are needed ?
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Old 15-06-2018, 07:33 PM   #14
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I’ve a question about ceramic maintenance.

What happens when you need to de tar, clay and remove fallout from a coated car?? Surely doing this twice a year will diminish the coating??


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Old 15-06-2018, 08:48 PM   #15
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I’ve a question about ceramic maintenance.

What happens when you need to de tar, clay and remove fallout from a coated car?? Surely doing this twice a year will diminish the coating??


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Broadly speaking ceramic type coatings are inorganic and thus resistant to solvents designed to remove organic (e.g. tar) materials.

Also the reaction for iron fallout removers is mildly acidic, and ceramics are resistant to acids (more so than strong alkali cleaners).

Clay being abrasive will diminish the coating.
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I think Crystal Serum Lite is one of, if not the best consumer grade Coatings on the market in terms of application, curing times, finish and durability it ticks all the boxes. I’ve coated quite a few cars that I get to detail sometime after (the longest being an Aston Martin after 2 years) and the water repellency and silky smooth feel are still very apparent. Second to this is Kamikaze ISM but I find that needs 2 layers minimum and is twice the price of CS Lite.
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Just had our TT detailed with Gtechniq Chrystal serum light. Would using something like Autoglyms tar and glue remover and bug remover be safe to use without it affecting the sealant? TIA
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Old 01-07-2018, 10:42 PM   #18
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Just had our TT detailed with Gtechniq Chrystal serum light. Would using something like Autoglyms tar and glue remover and bug remover be safe to use without it affecting the sealant? TIA
You would be better off buying their versions (W7 for Tar and Glue) as they are guaranteed to be safe with their coatings. They do a bug remover too I believe.
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I did my wife's Mini just over two years ago with Nanolex Si3D and other than occasionally washing it with reactivating shampoo and other times using a PH neutral shampoo never reapplied it. But it's still gleams when cleaned, bugs etc come off very easily as does tar spots.

I did my Focus RS with GT CSL and now my Golf and really rate it. I think a lot is down to ensuring the paint is clean and uncontaminated with wax etc.
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