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Old 05-04-2012, 02:01 AM   #21
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A waterless wash i.e. a ready-mixed solution sold as a ready to use product
from the container is always going to be an expensive option compared to
ONR. Whilst most WWs bring everything - cleaning and waxing - into just
one relatively quick process, they aren't going to have the sheer versatility
of ONR. The introduction of the hosepipe ban will provide a boost in sales of
waterless wash products, though from our point of view as detailers, I'm not
sure that it'll properly satisfy our expectations.

Before I came to DW, I was regularly using Greased Lightning Showroom Shine
(GLSS) with very pleasing results. One drawback though was dealing with the
overspray that annoyingly dries white, invariably in the most inaccessible places.
The biggest drawback with GLSS is in its marketing methods, mainly in
its grossly inflated price point which all other companies seem take their lead
from. Even at the "discounted" price of £15 a litre, it is not value for money!

The sheer variety of techniques that we have available with ONR, for me,
makes it a natural detailer's choice when faced with a water shortage. I've
been shrugging my shoulders at the people who are seeing the hosepipe ban
as something akin to the end of the World. It isn't and the technology has
been around for some years. I seem to have vague recollections of ONR
being a product of the year winner even before I joined DW!

It's my belief that we all ought to be treating water with far more respect!
From many posts that I've read, I believe that people are not yet recognising
the serious implications of these incredibly dry winters, followed by drier than
usual springs. There's no reason to not be able to continue to enjoy this
hobby, it just means dealing with the one thing we hate - change.

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Steve

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Old 05-04-2012, 10:06 AM   #22
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Excellent post Steve, all very true !


Oh forgot to say I couldn`t could resist buying another 2 bottles of GLSS for £20+£5 bogof, cause it is handy and canny stuff.
If fact one of the best finishes I`ve had included a clean/polish with GLSS and sealed with Gtechniq C2 and now C1.5.

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Old 05-04-2012, 01:21 PM   #23
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The sheer variety of techniques that we have available with ONR, for me, makes it a natural detailer's choice when faced with a water shortage. I've been shrugging my shoulders at the people who are seeing the hosepipe ban as something akin to the end of the World. It isn't and the technology has been around for some years. I seem to have vague recollections of ONR being a product of the year winner even before I joined DW!
Correct me if I'm wrong (and I do mean that as I have no idea on this one), but for something like ONR/Wash & Wax Anywhere etc to be effective, don't they need to be used on cars that are only covered with only a light level of dirt/dust (effectively acting as a more powerful version of a quick detailing spray)?

I do 350 miles a week to and from the office, and at the end of a week my car is a mess with a mixture of traffic film and other nasties sprayed up the sides of the car (even with mudflaps) and up the front. As such I would normally be hesitant to attack the weekly grime on my car without at least loosening it with the hose or pressure washer, or better still applying a a pre-wash mixture of some kind before starting the wash cycle?

The hosepipe ban in my area makes the whole hosing/PW aspect of my normal washing regime decidedly difficult, which is why I've started looking at waterless solutions. But I am still concerned whether any of these options are viable for a properly grimy car without risking scratching the paintwork.
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You mean like this one?

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Very interesting, but noticeable that the video suggests multiple times using a jetwash to loosen before applying the ONR on very dirty cars.
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Just thought I'd share it as I've never seen ONR used on a really dirty car.
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Correct me if I'm wrong (and I do mean that as I have no idea on this one), but for something like ONR/Wash & Wax Anywhere etc to be effective
The problem here is that you aren't comparing like with like. Although you can
use ONR like a waterless wash, it isn't _uniquely_ a waterless wash when it
comes to technique. Unlike the true waterless wash, you have so many other
options available to you with ONR.

Just to muddy the water still further, on a very dirty car, where you might even
struggle with a true waterless wash, then even ONR may not be the answer!
Instead of taking this thread off-topic, I'll point you to two threads where this
is discussed thoroughly...
Waterless, what if car is caked with muck?
HFE - A General Guide amd FAQ

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Hi Dave,
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If fact one of the best finishes I`ve had included a clean/polish with GLSS and sealed with Gtechniq C2 and now C1.5.
That doesn't surprise me at all. I still buy it, begrudgingly, because it's so
good on glass and stainless steel. Even at your "bargain basement" price, it's
still expensive. I'm also a bit miffed because a change of formulation has meant
it no longer tackles grease like it used to.

The thing about waterless washes is that they _have_ to be good at what
they claim to do - the US ambulance chasing lawyers have seen to that! Pity
they have no effect on the price

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Even at your "bargain basement" price, it's
still expensive. I'm also a bit miffed because a change of formulation has meant
it no longer tackles grease like it used to.
Yeah I remember you saying about its reformulation Steve but haven`t bought any for a while so I`ll find out soon.
No its not cheap even on special but it doesn`t but people off they reckon to have sold over 2 million bottles.
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...they reckon to have sold over 2 million bottles.
...and that's just on Ideal World in the UK! Small wonder why other sellers take
their lead from this - Grrrrrrrrr...

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