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Old 09-08-2016, 05:35 PM   #1
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S20 Black on soft paint

So I finally got around to giving the DAS6 Pro a go for the first time at the weekend I was short of time so I decided to just focus on the front passenger door of our car which had some pretty heavy hedge rash on it.

The door was washed, decontaminated (iron / tar) and then clayed.

The tools of choice were Scholl S20 Black, along with Scholl's black waffle and "honey" spider pads.
I started with the waffle pad, primed it (which seems to take more polish than I was expecting?) then added the "three pea sized dots" and set to. Maybe I wasn't pressing hard enough but even though I worked the polish until what residue remained was clear, it didn't do very much. So, I decided to move to the (considerably firmer) honey spider pad.

This time there was a considerable improvement after the first set, but it still felt like there was more to go. So I did another set which seemed to deliver something like the improvement I was after.

I didn't have chance to do any really critical comparisons or 50:50 shots as I went along as I was "assisted" by my 'detailing student' (age = 3 years old) but later that evening in the darkness of the unlit garage, I took the shots below assisted by an LED torch. You can see there are some marks left over but with this being a daily driver that we expect to keep for some time, chasing "flawless" paint is just not feasible (or sensible!).

Some observations: Not sure what I was doing wrong but getting the polish residue off seem quite tricky. I resorted to a spritz of BH Cleanser Fluid to take it off cleanly, didn't want to inflict marring through excessive buffing. I tried various grades / weights of MF towel, none of which really worked any better than the others. I wonder if, being water based, a simple squirt of water might have been enough?

After priming the pad I put my three pea-sized dots - once I'd spread this into the working area (roughly 50cm square) there seemed to be barely anything on the paint beyond a faint haze. Once I'd finished, lifting the pad off revealed a "pad print" of mostly clear residue with the odd purple speck of unused polish. Unfortunately I didn't get a picture of this; does it sound like I had too much / too little / about the right amount of polish on the pad?

Overall I'm fairly pleased with the results, next time I think a horizontal panel is in order to try applying a little more pressure to the waffle pad.

Any comments / observations / suggestions from more experienced hands welcomed.

Before (actually this is the other door, but still representative of the starting condition of the paint):


After:
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Old 09-08-2016, 07:45 PM   #2
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Really dont see a huge droling over scholl s20 when Sonax Perfect finish is better in every regard, better finish, better cut, wipes completly efortlesly. I need only one pass with PF on a white hexlogic pad on my KIA , dont know the paint hardness, to clear every single swirl on a panel. Good job though.
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Old 09-08-2016, 08:17 PM   #3
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I found much the same as yourself OP re residue removal...an over rated polish imo and one which I may as well sell as I don't intend to take it out of the garage again.

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I was kind of hoping I'd just made some kind of polishing noob mistake since this was literally my first time doing any machine polishing :/
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Really dont see a huge droling over scholl s20 when Sonax Perfect finish is better in every regard, better finish, better cut, wipes completly efortlesly. I need only one pass with PF on a white hexlogic pad on my KIA , dont know the paint hardness, to clear every single swirl on a panel. Good job though.
You forgot to mention no staining of pads as well. Your white hex logic pad would turn black with s20
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ive posted on the subject before, but s20 is a pig to remove and i wont use it again,

ive now switched to sonax 04-06 but havent tried it out yet but I will do so very soon!
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Sure, thats a plus too.
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04-06 should be almost the same as perfect finish, but as far as I could read online with more lubrication and specificly made for orbital polishers, where PF was designed with rotary in mind, but works great with DA too. I will be buying 04-06 when I run out of Perfect Finish, it's cheaper and it's designed to be used with DA.
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ive posted on the subject before, but s20 is a pig to remove and i wont use it again,

ive now switched to sonax 04-06 but havent tried it out yet but I will do so very soon!
Be interested to hear how you get on. I've emailed PB to see what they think. Next time out I think I'm going to try a bit more polish, and using QD to lubricate the pad, see if I can get a handle on how to get the best out of it.

That said, as a noob to machine polishing I am curious how this stuff (S20B) can be dividing opinion as it does, since there are plenty of folk on here who seem to rate it.
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I'm one of the folk who rate it, I've only ever had some trouble removing it on an Audi I was doing, I slowed the speed and extended the set which seemed to work fine.
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Thanks for the hint, I'll try reducing the speed next time I use it and see if it helps.
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