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Old 29-10-2016, 07:03 PM   #1
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Rinseless washing over winter - long term test

All righty then...if you followed this thread http://www.detailingworld.co.uk/foru...41#post5220541 over the last couple of days you know whats about to go down.

I will try to create a long term testing of rinseless washes over the 2016/2017 winter to find out how much damage they can inflict on the car. But its gonna be on my terms and rules. I'm not a idiot...Im not gonna slap a wet sponge on a gritty or muddy surface and say its safe for paint. I know its not and some common sense and caution will be used here. I don't live in a water restricted area, I have the luxury of using water, electricity, a PW with a foam lance, snow foam, APC, and other what you call normal wash stuff at my disposal.

I have been using different rinseless shampoos for the last 2 years and have adopted a routine / a method you might say that suits me. Over this time I have found their limits and know how far I can go with them but Ill still lay in some ground rules at the start just so you wont be dissapointed later on.

OK the rules:
1. We will be observing only one panel. Its gonna be the driver door. I have already winter prepped my car last weekend. I wont do it again. That is why I will do this on one panel. Besides its easier to watch for swirls on a smaller area.

2. I will correct the panel prior and protect it with LSP of my choice. I will try to photograph and video document it the best I can to show there are no swirls (there might be some deeper RIDS left at some places). Just a note...Im not a photographer and dont have a pro camera but I will do the best I can.

3. When I drive I keep my distance from other cars in front so they don't throw road film on my car. My daily trips are usually short and I don't do many miles on the highway. The mileage will be documented from wash to wash (if I don't forget).

4. Ill wash it when I feel like it...It can be after a week, after a month or after a day if I decide to.

5. I normally pre spray the panel with the rinseless solution but its gonna be winter meaning ice and snow and salt so I will use my judgement and asses the car prior washing and react accordingly. This means if I think its too dirty I will use the PW and maybe even snow foam. I will document this as I go. I also normally use the 2bm where I have the wash solution in one bucket and rinse water in the other that is also equipped with a grit guard. For the wash media I use a waffle shaped soft sponge. For anyone asking its similar to the one that Serious performance sells, I just get it elsewhere.

6. I will use different rinseless shampoos over this period of time. I like rinseless washing and I like trying different rinseless shampoos. At the moment I am using Optimum No-rinse, Wolfs chemicals mean green and lately Surf city garage rinse free wash & wax (Jesus fu..k they really gotta find a new name for the last one...its too freeking long). In the near future I just might buy CG rinse free and Surf city professional rinse free (although I think its not much different to the one I have) as they popped up at a dealer in my country.

7. I will dry it with a microfiber drying towel. I will vary between Martin cox waffle, CG miracle dryer and Gyeon silk (the small one).

8. I will use as QD or spray sealant as a drying aid. At the moment I am using OPT QD, OPT opti seal, OPT ONR+OCW mix and Autobrite project32.

9. I will look for swirls with a pocket flashlight I use for correcting paint and try to photograph them or make a video about it at least once a month.

10.If you have any suggestions I am open for a discussion but will not necessarily consider them all.

There you go...10 simple rules.

Let us begin shall we?

First of. Wash the car with ONR




Claying was skipped (I did it last week) so I skipped straight to polishing. I used my DA machine with Optimum hyper polish and orange and white CG hex logic pads. The residue was removed with a ONR soaked microfiber towel and panel wiped with OPT paint prep.





LSP of choice was OPT Gloss coat and after 1h a layer of OPT opti-seal.



Gloss coat curing




There is a deeper scratch under the window I could not remove and some paint blobs around the handle from the previous owner.






And the video showing no swirls or scratches (may not be the best quality, if so I am sorry)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4mai...ature=youtu.be

What are my expectations. I think its fair to say I do expect to get a some light swirls over winter and this is normal. We all try to be careful about our cars as much as possible but in the end we all make mistakes here and there and so will I.

Well the prep is done. After polishing I did not notice any swirls except on the lower part where I polished it 2 times but oddly could not remove them. But you really have to look very carefully under an angle to notice them.





OK now its time to get the car dirty so...Ill see you when I see you...at the next wash.
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Old 29-10-2016, 08:13 PM   #2
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A&J what's the point now, when you have applied this

Optimum Gloss-Coat is a high-tech polymer system that forms an extra layer of clear coat over all external surfaces Formulated by award-winning Dr. David Ghodoussi, Optimum Gloss-Coat is designed to provide resistance to etching caused by harsh detergents, and swirl marks that are often inflicted during the wash process.


Surely you should of left that panel clear from any LSP.
So all that writing and prep has been a waste of time mate, because it's not going to show how rinseless washers cause damage to normal paint that hasn't been coated.
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Naah... irrelevant chongo. Coatings aren't so good resist swirls than many thinks.
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A&J what's the point now, when you have applied this

Surely you should of left that panel clear from any LSP.
So all that writing and prep has been a waste of time mate, because it's not going to show how rinseless washers cause damage to normal paint that hasn't been coated.
Read rule #2 and #10 mate.

Coatings can provide a bit of hardness and protection from wiping with a dry MF but they are certainly not bullet proof
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But it's still not bare paint that is being judged
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Naah... irrelevant chongo. Coatings aren't so good resist swirls than many thinks.
But it still gives some protection from swirls so says DR Blaa, Blaa
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But it's still not bare paint that is being judged
Chongo you can do the exact same test if you want to without LSP and damage your paint all day long if you want...Im not that stupid.

I can bend a rule a bit on rule #1 if you are willing and tomorrow polish the back door and only seal it with opti-seal if that will shut you up a bit just say the word.
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Chongo you can do the exact same test if you want to without LSP and damage your paint all day long if you want...Im not that stupid.

So you admit it does cause damage, lol A&J I don't think you are getting what I am saying, but you go ahead and conduct your test, but at lease I know that I wouldn't be damaging my paint or anybody's else's using a rinseless wash.
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So you admit it does cause damage
I meant you can do your own test with whatever products you like (doesn't have to be rinseless) on a car without LSP and we will see what happens in spring

I don't expect to get through without some swirls but its not gonna be more damaged than if I used the traditional method. And so you know...I never said rinseless washes dont inflict damage. That would be stupid. I just believe that they dont do it more than any other washes do.

Its not the product that causes paint damage...its in the user that does it...and we all make mistakes. If the traditional way of washing was soooo good and safe than the studio and showroom thread cars wouldt be as damaged and in need off correction as they do, now would they I think everyone that has ever washed the car no matter the product and way has came to a certain point where he noticed swirls appearing. And there is no getting around that.

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Old 29-10-2016, 11:50 PM   #10
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A&J my friend, when you start to rephrase certain sentences and words like you have done, it only shows that you know what I have been saying is right

But if your happy with a ONR, which you obviously are, let's just agree to disagree

Oh one more questio. What is the safest, ONR or 2bw
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