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Old 04-01-2009, 01:10 PM   #1
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Finish Kare sample kit ... with a little twist

My Mrs got me the Finish Kare sample kit for Christmas - I have been very keen to try out the 425 QD, which is raved about and was intrigued to try out a few other of their products so the sample kit seemed a good introduction. She also got me a couple of polishes from Serious Performance's new own range, which I have already had a go with on my white SAAB, along with the paste waxes and QD on the black SAAB: http://www.detailingworld.co.uk/foru...ad.php?t=98650

What do we get in the kit?

118SC Exterior Shampoo Concentrate & PH Neutraliser
121 Interior Shampoo & Ultimate Cleaner
303 Foam Pad Glaze
2180 Ultra Poly Wipe Sealant – Anti-static
108 Top Kote Dressing - Anti-static
425 Ultra Slick Poly Wipe Spray Detailer - Anti-static
1000P Hi-Temp Sealant (2 oz)
2685 Pink Wax (2 oz)

Finish Kare is reputed to give a clear, mirror-like finish which I was very keen to try out on my white car and to have some point of comparison, I decided to split the car down the middle and finish one side with these new Finish Kare products and the other side with my Serious Performance own brand products which I really like on white. Finally, the two paste waxes would be tried on different panels to see which overall effect I liked the best.

To business ...

My white car was given the Duragloss treatment back in October and maintained with a regular wash and QD since. The winter salt and road grime has taken its toll on the finish and after last week's wash, I found the most obvious indications that Duragloss might still be performing were pretty much gone. I know that sounds like abysmal durability for a product reputed to last forever, but parked on a busy main road and covered in filth every day nothing lasts very long on our cars.

Here's what I started with:



http://www.pjgh.co.uk/gallery_albums/fk1sp/DSCF0005.jpg

... doesn't look too bad from afar, but let's take a closer look:


http://www.pjgh.co.uk/gallery_albums/fk1sp/DSCF0008.jpg

First, let's make up some shampoo from the 118SC Super Concentrate Shampoo which I made up with 1 fl oz per gallon of water:


http://www.pjgh.co.uk/gallery_albums/fk1sp/DSCF0010.jpg

Quote:
118SC is an innovative wash that was engineered to be pH neutral, gentile for all finishes, 100% clean rinsing while delivering real cleaning power. With a plus factor this premium wash softens hard wash water and neutralizes acid rain. Its biodegradable formula safely and effectively removes dirt and grime without striping waxes or sealants. Leaves a clean high gloss finish.
Cleaning: 10
Degreasing: 4
Gloss: 7
http://www.fk1usa.com/products-consumer.htm

I also dilute the 121 Ultimate Cleaner down to a 10:1 ratio in a spray bottle:


http://www.pjgh.co.uk/gallery_albums/fk1sp/DSCF0004.jpg

Quote:
121 Ultimate Cleaner is just that “The Ultimate Cleaner”. Properly diluted 121 is a safe effective pH neutral cleaner for most all surfaces including interior carpets, vinyl, rubber, leather, tires, engine compartments, door jams, aircraft underbelly cleaning etc. Formulated with antibacterial agents 121 kills the bacteria that creates odor leaving a clean fresh sent. 121 is also excellent for home. Use to clean counters, tubs, floors, stone, spot clean clothing prior to washing and tuff carpet stains.
Cleaning: 10
Degreasing: 6
Strength: 10
Safe Use: 10
http://www.fk1usa.com/products-consumer.htm

I intended to use the 121 Ultimate Cleaner on areas where there might be stubborn dirt, in the door jambs and on the tyres:


http://www.pjgh.co.uk/gallery_albums/fk1sp/DSCF0014.jpg

I started with the door jambs and the amount of grease in there has be reaching for my bottle of Autoglym Tar Remover. The 121 Ultimate Cleaner did a good enough job, but to get it spotless it was not quite strong enough in diluted form and even a quick go with it neat did not glean a spotless result. On the tyres, it cleaned them up nicely but no better than a neat shampoo and a brush IMO. I'd be interested to hear other people's opinion of this product and of their experience with dilution ratios.

Here's the door jambs .. before:



... and after:




http://www.pjgh.co.uk/gallery_albums/fk1sp/DSCF0023.jpg

... I'm going to give these a covering of Bilt Hamber Auto Balm as soon as I can. I pretty much ran out of time and light yesterday.

I then washed over the whole car with the 118SC Super Concentrate Shampoo and paid careful attention to panel shuts, recessed areas, roof gutters and anywhere else where dirt and water gets to settle. While I wash my car regularly and do so to a good standard, when you're really focussing on the job it's astounding how much dirt you can find! Again, the 121 Ultimate Cleaner came in handy here and there and was agitated with a bristle brush.

... washed:


http://www.pjgh.co.uk/gallery_albums/fk1sp/DSCF0025.jpg

... and dried:


http://www.pjgh.co.uk/gallery_albums/fk1sp/DSCF0026.jpg

So ... we're ready for my grand plan. At this point, I must apologise for the photographs - the light was poor and I did absolutely no pictures with a strong light source, but I'm working by hand and total swirl removal was not achieved but dramatically improved. The point of this review is more about my impressions of the products and any photographs are there to show off the general look of the products on the car.

Polish ready ...


http://www.pjgh.co.uk/gallery_albums/fk1sp/DSCF0027.jpg

I used the new Serious Performance Fine Cut polish. My goodness! I love this polish. It does not dry quickly and can be worked for a good long time, which gives the "by hand" user ample opportunity to work in in circles, straight lines and different angles to really get as much as he can from the product. You can hear the product on the surface and after a couple of minutes, or so, it quietens down where continued working finally reveals clear and bright paint as the product works clear. The polish is also very low dusting.

I do not have a wide experience of polishes, but I found this very easy to work with and delivered excellent results. I have a number of scratches and marks that nothing has removed; not clay, not AIOs, nor paint cleansers and this product just wiped them away with very little effort. As for actual scratches and swirls, we'll afterwards under street lamps the swirls were still present, but dramatically diminished to quite wide glints rather than dense swirls. I paid careful attention to a few of the more apparent scratches and these could be removed by concentrating on them for a good amount of time until they could be seen to have been removed or at least reduced.

Polishing by hand is very hard work and this is exactly why swirl-filling products are to be recommended; products like AG SRP and filler-heavy glazes. I think if I had limitless energy, I could have done a better job, but after that amount of concerted effort I was getting pretty tired and there were a few more products to play with. The other day, I used a terry applicator on my test panel and today the yellow side of a German applicator, which I found to be more appropriate giving a better cut as well as being easier to hold and work with over larger areas.

... polishing ... done:


http://www.pjgh.co.uk/gallery_albums/fk1sp/DSCF0028.jpg

Let's have a closer look:



What this polish had achieved to the naked eye was to bring out the very best from the paint. I could clearly see the actual texture of the paint and with such a bright, clear finish it seemed a shame not to just pop a wax on and have done with it ... but where's the fun in that? LOL

My grand plan for this session was to compare a finish that I knew and products that I was familiar with against the new products, and so I tried to pitch like products aside each other - the first step was with finishing products and a glaze. On the 'Serious Performance' side I used their new Finishing Polish and on the Finish Kare side their 303 Foam Pad Poly Glaze.

Quote:
303 Foam Pad Glaze is a blend of glaze, high grade polymer resins and micro polishing agents. Formulated to deliver a deep high gloss finish. The blend of polymer resins creates increased gloss and durability. Recommended for use to create a deep rich high gloss finish and remove compound swirl marks from all types of finishes; factory applied or paint and body shop.
Cleaning: 2
Gloss: 8
Protection: 2
Durability: 2
http://www.fk1usa.com/products-consumer.htm

I know these two products are not exactly like, but the 303 Foam Pad Poly Glaze has some light abrasives in it and so they seemed a reasonable match to pitch side by side.

The Serious Performance Finishing Polish was applied with the grey side of a German applicator, which seemed to wring out the watery content of the polish, but I worked it until it had gone clear and cleaned itself up. This polish is grey in colour, but works clear to a dust-free finish.

The 303 Foam Pad Poly Glaze was applied with a blue microfibre applicator. Duh! Dime Bar!!! It's a foam pad glaze LOL Yes ... whoops ... in hindsight, a foam pad might have been a better choice but it worked in easily with a microfibre pad and I achieved a good result in my eyes. Grey, again, this product has a long work time and gave me plenty of opportunity to move the product about and get a consistent spread of product over the panel. The product smells quite oily in the way that Meguiars #7 does and it certainly seems to work very much along those lines - you spread it about whereupon it dries to a point that you'd be happy to buff off and then it buffs off to a nice creaking finish.

Let's have a closer look:



The Serious Performance product is on the left hand side and the Finish Kare on the right. At this stage there was actually very little difference in the finish to the naked eye; certainly nothing that could have been photographed in any light. If anything, the Finish Kare side seemed to appear to have the light sitting a little above the surface, but I think I was looking for a different that perhaps was not there.

What's next? Sealant. At this point, I decided to go straight to the Serious Performance Super Sealant and 2180 Ultra Poly Wipe Sealant. I had considered running some Serious Performance Paint Cleanser over the Serious Performance side, but I thought it unnecessary and since I was not going to use it on the Finish Kare side anyway, to skip it altogether. For future use, after using a couple of polishes like I have, would it be advised to run the Serious Performance Paint Cleanser over the paint before moving onto the Serious Performance Super Sealant?

2180 Ultra Poly Wipe Sealant is the first of the anti-static products in this line up.

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2180 Ultra Seal a sealant for use on all finishes, is a blend of anti corrosive, detergent resistant polydimethylsiloxane copolymers, which provide the finish with a high glossed protective film that gives intensive wear and great resistance to heat and water. 2180 removes surface accumulation and oxidation while penetrating and sealing the pores of the paint, giving great depth and trueness of color. This along with high melt resins offers prolonged surface protection and resistance to the elements, UV, oxidation and detergents for months of maintenance free appearance driving pleasure. Excellent for use on paint, fiber glass, gel coat, glass and chrome surfaces
Cleaning: 3
Gloss: 10
Depth: 3
Protection: 10
Durability: 10
http://www.fk1usa.com/products-consumer.htm

Wow! This is the big one in terms of protection and durability; depth is poor with this product, but I am not after depth on my white car ... it's gloss I want. Anyway, I'll be putting the paste waxes over top last of all to see which finish I like best.

What's the difference between the two sides?



The Serious Performance product is on the left hand side and the Finish Kare on the right. To the camera, there's no difference but to the eye, the Serious Performance side seems "smoothed" with the texture of the paint kind of levelled out. Both sides feel really soft and slick; the Finish Kare side looks very bright indeed and actually appears to have amplified the texture of the paint somewhat. This is very hard to explain, but the light is more fractured on the Finish Kare side which gives a much more three dimensional effect - I think if you can imagine glass smooth versus diamond bright, you'd understand what I was seeing at this point.

Normally, I would leave the finish at this and did actually consider just spritzing some 425 Ultra Slick Poly Wipe Spray Detailer over the top and seeing how it faired, but I had been so impressed with the paste waxes that I wanted to carry on and see what they were like over a finish I already knew (the Serious Performance side) and because I had read the 2685 Pink Wax can be improved with a layer of 2180 Ultra Poly Wipe Sealant underneath. Curiosity ... you know ...

I had intended to cover the whole car in 1000P Hi Temp Synthetic Paste Wax and then apply a layer of 2685 Pink Wax over half of each top panel across both finishes. At the last minute I changed my mind and decided to try the 1000P Hi Temp Synthetic Paste Wax on the bonnet and the 2685 Pink Wax on the roof, leaving the sides as is.


http://www.pjgh.co.uk/gallery_albums/fk1sp/DSCF0052.jpg

I used a large foam wax applicator dipped into the tin and spread this over the bonnet. The only negative here is that the 1000P Hi Temp Synthetic Paste Wax spreads so thinly that is is almost impossible to see on bright, gleaming white. If this was being done in strong light, I reckon I could have got snow blindness! Checking from various angles proved the product was on and when buffed ... what an astounding finish!!! ... so bright it almost glows.



Next, 2685 Pink Wax on the roof:


http://www.pjgh.co.uk/gallery_albums/fk1sp/DSCF0053.jpg

The light was fading fast but I did manage to capture a couple of snaps of the roof.


http://www.pjgh.co.uk/gallery_albums/fk1sp/DSCF0059.jpg


http://www.pjgh.co.uk/gallery_albums/fk1sp/DSCF0054.jpg

The finish was not at all as bright as with the 1000P Hi Temp Synthetic Paste Wax and I will be interested to see how a few layers of these waxes might increase that difference. 2685 Pink Wax is really easy to apply and remove - the finish is warm, but still glossy. I was very pleased with it on our black SAAB and sheer curiosity has led me to try it on my white car, when I would have been very happy to have stuck with the 1000P Hi Temp Synthetic Paste Wax over the whole car. The point of this session was to familiarise myself with a new set of products and to see which I prefer over the coming weeks.

Finally, the boot ... I finished that off with a little homebrew blend, just for the fun of it: Serious Performance Super Sealant mixed 50/50 with ValetPro Liquid Carnauba Paste Wax. Why? Why not LOL. The ValetPro Liquid Carnauba Paste Wax is soooo easy to remove, I wanted to see whether it could make an already easy to remove sealant even easier. That, and I was disappointed with the beading and water wicking of the ValetPro Liquid Carnauba Paste Wax and wanted to see if that could be improved with the introduction of a sealant that I really like.


http://www.pjgh.co.uk/gallery_albums/fk1sp/DSCF0057.jpg

While the waxes were curing, I went around the bumpers and bodykit with the 108 Top Kote RVL Poly Protectant.

Quote:
108 Top Kote is a liquid polymer sealant conditioner formulated to condition restore and protect interior leather surfaces; and all interior/exterior plastic rubber and vinyl surfaces. Enriched with Patented Anti-Static Agents to detour or eliminate dust attraction, UV Inhibitors which protect against sun damage and Premium Polymer Resins for maximum protection durability and longevity. Leaves a new like finish that is not greasy or wet. Excellent for use on leather interiors, dashes, engine compartments, tires, vinyl tops, rubber trim and molding.
Cleaning: 3
Gloss: 7
Protection: 10
Durability: 10
http://www.fk1usa.com/products-consumer.htm

Given the reputed protection and durabilty of this product, I hope it would be the answer to my problem with exterior trim treatments not lasting. Fingers crossed ... I sprayed it on a round yellow foam pad and wiped it onto the bodykit. Once primed, the product spreads well but I am sorry to report I did not get along with this product at all. I found it a very patchy finish and that is not for lack of trying a wipe-on versus spray-on application and various degrees of product on sections, from very thin to quite wet. I found that going over a second time with a primed pad helped to even up the finish, but it was not at all as glossy as I like and I really did not like how it looked on tyres - very flat indeed. Of course, it flat, non-glossy is your thing then you may well really like this product - it is reputed to be more glossy than many natural look products, but I did not find it to be at all glossy.

I tried it on the inside on one of the door cards, which is textured vinyl with a leatherette insert and again, I just did not like the finish. Normally, I use Chemical Guys Sprayable Silk Shine and Chemical Guys New Look Trim Gel. Personally, I'll be sticking to those for my car - '80s cars need to drip gloss ... remember the Athena posters of old? I intend to get out today and re-do the bodykit with a glossier product, which I hope will remove the patchy finish.

In much fading light, here's a glamour shot down the side of the car:


http://www.pjgh.co.uk/gallery_albums/fk1sp/DSCF0061.jpg

From here, I intend to wash the car regularly with the remainder of the 118SC Super Concentrate Shampoo, maybe down to 1 fl oz per bucket for a couple more washes and then use my usual Serious Performance and Duragloss shampoos. After each wash, I'll use the 425 Ultra Slick Poly Wipe Spray Detailer, which is another anti-static product from the Finish Kare range, to see how I get on with it. From a first go on our black SAAB, I do like it.

I had a lot of fun ... thanks for reading. I'd be interested to hear any tips about getting more out of the remainder of the products - I still have a lot of 303, 2180, 425 and 108 left. I'm sure I'll be buying a full size bottle, if not a gallon of 425.
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Great review... Thanks for taking the time to write it up for others to see.

I think the one problem with the 108 Top-Kote in the sample set is that you almost need to over apply it and let it soak into the plastic the first couple of times you use it. And I've found especially on tyres that if you've not used 108 before, two coats are needed... After that, one coat is fine, it gives more of a sheen than Natural Look (Poorboys) and won't be patchy.

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I think the one problem with the 108 Top-Kote in the sample set is that you almost need to over apply it and let it soak into the plastic the first couple of times you use it. And I've found especially on tyres that if you've not used 108 before, two coats are needed... After that, one coat is fine, it gives more of a sheen than Natural Look (Poorboys) and won't be patchy.
Funnily enough, today the tyres did not look too bad - clean and black, but not glossy. I went over them again and filled in some of the areas that I'd missed. I also went over half of the bodykit again with 108 and the other half with Chemical Guys Sprayable Silk Shine.

As a product, it is certainly much nicer to use on tyres than many silicone based high glossing products which are an absolute pain when you get brown smears on body coloured white wheels. Grrr!

I will persevere with it, certainly for tyres ... I am on the hunt for just the right product for our bodykits. I need high gloss to match the paintwork and it needs to be dead easy to apply, not patchy and last well. Let's see how a second and third application goes on ...
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Great review Orca

Nice idea to set out the pictures and words for each product. I really like the FK1000P when you've applied over 2 layers it really does start to take on a whole new level of brightness and gloss..... it works wonders with 425 as well.

I'll be interested to see how they all last.
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Nice review

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'alright Ash
Thanks for the replies, guys - it was a lot of fun.

I'm doing a lot of reading about the merits of 300 vs 303 for a future purchase and wondering whether the 1016 anti-static shampoo might make a good maintenance shampoo to use alongside 425 QD. Any thoughts, guys?
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cracking review, I miss my classic 900 turbo so very badly, that is a beauty of a car man, enjoy.
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That shampoo looks good
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That shampoo looks good
It cleaned very well indeed and dried off easily - you know some shampoos kind of "drag" a little and leave moisture on the surface. There were a lot of suds and the water felt clean, rather than greasy. I did not notice much gloss afterwards, though, say compared to Serious Performance own shampoo or Duragloss 901. I did not think it wicked away when soaked with flowing water very well either.

The shampoo is part of Finish Kare's decontamination programme and as such, I think it concentrates on cleaning. I don't think I would buy it again, but I am very keen to try the anti-static 1016 Poly-Wash & Wax Concentrate.
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cracking review, I miss my classic 900 turbo so very badly, that is a beauty of a car man, enjoy.
Thanks pal, I'm a Classic pilot through and through - that car is an 8V Turbo and having run it with the Type M specification (around 195 BHP with the APC box maxxed out) and paid for the gearbox, I run it absolutely standard now - still a huge amount of fun and the old-fashioned "big bang" turbo surge is phenomenal. Love it No reason why you couldn't get another C900 ...
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