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Old 02-11-2018, 10:03 PM   #1
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Citreon Grand C4 Picasso

Does anyone on here own a above mentioned car?

Looking at purchasing one in the coming weeks and would like some real world feedback if poss.

Am looking at a 2015 1.6 Bluehdi Exclusive.

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Old 03-11-2018, 12:32 AM   #2
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Cant comment on the Picasso specifically but the 1.6 is a PSA engine and has been used in numerous Ford, Citroen, Peugeot, Volvo and Mazda's even to this date, also was in the Mini Cooper D and Suzuki SX4 for a brief time. Originally introduced around 2003.

We have a Berlingo Van and i own a Fiesta with this engine, not had any issues really engine wise with either. The injector seals can be an issue and you may see it smoke a bit from a cold start up but usually goes in a matter of seconds. Being only 3 years old shouldn't need to worry about a cambelt change unless its heading towards 80-100k miles (ford is 100k or ten years).

The previous fiesta i had was going strong at 157,000 miles until it was written off a month ago. It had few issues in other areas such as brake servo, glow plug issue, leaking water pump but even at that mileage it was a pleasure to drive. Since been replaced with a six month newer example but this one only has 53,000 miles on.

Mine was before they fitted DPF's so cant comment from that perspective either.

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I can't comment on that exact car but a colleague has a Toyota Verso which is a very similar vehicle and it might be worth a look. I was impressed by it following riding in the thing. Not very helpful I know.
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I used to sell the previous model and they were very popular.

Don't be scared by the doom and gloom stories of the 1.6hdis. Just get an oil service done every year with the correct oil and it will be fine.

The previous model could have rear pneumatic suspension which made for a really comfy ride.

The look and interior of the newer model you're looking at is much nicer
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I used to sell the previous model and they were very popular.

Don't be scared by the doom and gloom stories of the 1.6hdis. Just get an oil service done every year with the correct oil and it will be fine.
Losing my job recently means career change, so the car will be used for taxi'ing. So the car will be getting oil change poss 3 times a year.

Do the newer models not have the same suspension?


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I used to sell the previous model and they were very popular.

Don't be scared by the doom and gloom stories of the 1.6hdis. Just get an oil service done every year with the correct oil and it will be fine.

The previous model could have rear pneumatic suspension which made for a really comfy ride.

The look and interior of the newer model you're looking at is much nicer
whats the issues with the 1.6hdi? my Peugeot 208 (2015) has the 1.6 e-hdi.

And isn't the 1.6blueHDI a different engine, with AdBlue?
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Is this the 1.6 PSA block that finds its way into a lot of cars, and has the DPF and diesel in the oil as known issues?

You can buy replacement DPF for not a huge amount of money (ie less than £200) I am told?

I personally would steer for the Toyota if it was me. They might even do a hybrid version which might be ideal for taxi use.
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there's no Citroens where i work as a taxi, probably says it all, there is the toyota Verso though, 2 of them
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I know in the small town where i work the taxi's tend to be used older stuff anything from a Peugeot 308 to Ford Mondeo's, Transits etc. In blackpool there two companies that i see regularly, one tend to buy VAG group stuff, particularly Skoda's. The other has gone for electric choice where possible with quite a few Nissan Leaf's and the e-NV200. Had a look at charging points near my house (while i was finding out what this Nissan Van was called) and nearest is best part of ten miles away.
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The 1.6HDi's don't have anymore DPF issues than any other car.

It's due to the manufacturer of the Turbo, for some reason Garret used a turbo that was quite sensitive to carbon build up. So if you don't change oil as your supposed to and use the correct oil, carbon build up in the oil will coat the journal bearing in the turbo and cause it to fail.

The reason there are failures, is people are changing oil every 2 years and 20k and not using low ash long life oil to do so. Garages seem to be sticking in their generic big barrel oil into everything that comes in, petrol and diesel, so servicing at kwik fit and generic garages probably won't cut it in the long run.

Just use the correct oil, to the correct spec and do it every year or 10k.

Please also bare in mind that this engine, with this turbo was/is used in PSA Peugeot, Citroen, BMW, Ford, Mazda, Mini and even Suzuki. They are in LOADS of stuff so it only stands to reason, there will be more failures.

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