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Old 24-10-2020, 10:30 AM   #81
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I notice the instructions have changed. Those posted online refer to applying the product 'heavily' onto the surface and also specifically include the use of HD Cleanse:



The instructions on my bottle don't use the word 'heavily' and simply say that it should be applied to a clean surface:



It's a shame that, rather than the short (IMO slightly tacky) advert Zymol did post on YouTube before the product launch, they didn't release something a little more detailed, including the application process.
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Old 24-10-2020, 10:45 AM   #82
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I’m responding as their UK Distributor but also because all UK purchasers are my customers and I want to see this set right.
I would think your loyalty has already been recognized Mark
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Old 24-10-2020, 12:11 PM   #83
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It's a shame that, rather than the short (IMO slightly tacky) advert Zymol did post on YouTube before the product launch, they didn't release something a little more detailed, including the application process.
From the previous YouTube review posted, it looks to me like the guy followed the instructions exactly, fully prepped panel, machine polished, iron remover etc... Applied more product than I would have, either that or it looks really thick and almost polymer like, and buffed after the required time following instructions. Then let it set for 48 hrs.
But to see the hydrophobicity totally die after one wash, there is no defending that!!
HD Cleanse, as far as I know, doesn't have any kind of primer effect, its a paint cleanser with lots of oils in, so how would that make any difference to what so far has looked to be a terrible product?
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Old 24-10-2020, 01:00 PM   #84
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From the previous YouTube review posted, it looks to me like the guy followed the instructions exactly, fully prepped panel, machine polished, iron remover etc...
Brian is very experienced and the most meticulous of detailers who is totally impartial that speaks as he finds.
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Old 24-10-2020, 02:40 PM   #85
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Brian is very experienced and the most meticulous of detailers who is totally impartial that speaks as he finds.
Agreed

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What Brian didn’t do was show any use of (any) paint cleanser or even IPA in his process, and imparted only a very light wipe over of product by spraying a little onto a pad, then wiping it over. That’s clearly not what even the bottle says.

Product is an almost clear QD consistency btw.

HD Cleanse leaves the paint naked and is not a primer for anything.

The change of instructions on the website is the start of getting the right information out but having had only 1 day in work this week I’ve not been able to keep close to developments. I’m also on holiday for a week from Tuesday.

At least it’s good to see our website at the top of the rankings and I believe in Zymol’s development process that this will prove to be a very good product.
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Old 24-10-2020, 03:31 PM   #87
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I am a big Zymöl fan bought many products over the decades, they have a big range, the products they sell are part of the brands reputation we await the conclusive support from Zymöl.

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What Brian didn’t do was show any use of (any) paint cleanser or even IPA in his process, and imparted only a very light wipe over of product by spraying a little onto a pad, then wiping it over. That’s clearly not what even the bottle says.
If you checkout Brians video from 4.48 he does confirm how before testing products he always preps the surface (wash, decon, clay, ferrous metal remover, polish) before applying them twice with a 24hr minimum cure time.
This has been his standard procedure before his durability tests of many many sealants and has always been successfully in the past of showing their strengths and weaknesses.
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You beat me to it, Dave...I have watched the video again and was just about to post the very same, from 4.48 you can clearly see Brian doing all of the things that Mark says he didn't do.

He gives the test panel 4 big sprays, directly onto the panel and then spreads it with the pad, this clearly lays down a really thick layer.
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Reading Mark's comments on the YouTube video, he / Zymol feel like Brian was 'unprofessional' to post his results online without first giving Zymol a chance to reply and offer advice ... that's not how YouTube works.

That's why Brian's channel has many avid supporters, he is not just a professional but it's obvious that he has no other affiliation or motivation but to help his followers, he put the damn thing on his personal car he's spent over 100 hours working on - surely that in itself is evidence that he had great expectations and put a giant leap of faith in the product.

To suggest that a pro detailer who talks about IPA and Panel Wipe in every video I've seen (and has already confirmed that he DID panel wipe), and is a serial LSP reviewer didn't prep his panel is just ridiculous and laughable.

If I was one of those with the product I'd be filming every step of the process and if these results are replicated I'd be availing of my consumer protection based on the ludicrous claims that the manufacturer makes. If Zymol begin to claim that HD Cleanse is essential I'd also say it's been misleadingly sold.. surely their testing would have flagged this !!!

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