Update on bottom post.
Summary
Point
To test whether carnuba wax (Dodo Supernatural) durability is affected by use with Prima Amigo polymer glaze, since I've seen a few threads that raised questions over compatability/durability with waxes. [The instructions on the label only mention "synthetic" sealant/wax bonding - although this could be because they're a traditionally fussy LSP.] Also, to compare the carnuba wax to a hydrid wax/sealant (Dodo Purple Haze Pro), and against a traditional synthetic paste sealant (FK1000).
Prep
Car cleaned, clayed and cleansed with AF rejuvenate to provide a good base for testing.
Test
Prima Amigo was applied to specific sections (bonnet and selected rear panels), all three of SN, PHP and FK were applied both over the prima amigo, and on just clayed/cleansed (well prepped) paint. Collinite 476 was used for interest on some lower regions of the car tackled later in the day (though not over amigo as I was too tired ).
Results
Durability yet to be determined... car looks shiny
Update: 7 weeks, 5000 miles. Most of the wax has suffered - so beading sheeting are not what they were. Doesn't seem to be any different from bits with Prima on, or without. Although, fair to say the wax has rotted away from the outside first, rather than bonding issues with a base layer
The Long version, with pics:
Well, my last day of 2011 was a productive one... (my arms and legs hurt real bad right now). So, what did I get up to?
I washed, clayed and paint cleansed my bonnet, ready to apply some prima amigo and try a few carnuba waxes over the top and test them out, as a useful tester for what to apply come Spring time.
I felt this wouldn't really hold up much without a control. So followed my eager mood and dared the weather - mild 11deg c, but cloudy and threatening - and cracked on with the whole car since it was starting to lose some beading magic and shine. It hadn't been stripped back for 6 or so months and had a few odd layers on - so it seemed pointless loading more wax on top of a deteriorating base.
Prep
A quick run down of the routine: a healthy dose of Valet Pro orange pre wash, lots of rinsing, strong shampoo 2BM with Chemical Guys Glossworks, clayed with my new Bilt Hamber Medium and some born slippy/water in record time (pulled off more than I was expecting :doublesho), rewashed, dried, and cleaned with AF Rejuvenate pre-wax cleanser.
The Rejuvenate part is probably where the ache came from - a great paint cleanser and thin enough for a good work time... I worked it by hand hard (like a sweatshop worker in the run up to the Olympics!) with the white side of an ultimate (red/white) foam applicator - and after the effective clay session the results were pleasing.
Test
Now came for some testing... Due to the weather, this was tackled in stages. But the overall run-down was as follows: after paint cleaning all over, Prima Amigo was applied to the bonnet by the red side of the same sort of foam applicator:
And to the following rear panels (spoiler and lower bumper):
First up, I thought I would try a nice Carnuba wax I've been looking forward to using, so step up Dodo Supernatural for the right hand side of the bonnet. I thought a good comparison would be Dodo Purple Haze Pro, as this is a hydrid wax/sealant and might work well with the polymer glaze Amigo. This took the left hand side.
As a control, SN and PHP were applied to their respective sides of the car (wings, doors and quarter panels) WITHOUT Prima Amigo as a base, so to just clayed/cleansed paint, and SN to the roof also.
SN on the roof (I liked the fact you could focus two ways here!):
For those thinking "fool, you're not supposed to wax over Prima amigo". The rear of the car was taken care of with the paste sealant FK1000.
I'd cleansed and waxed these main areas of the car to "get them done" in case it rained. And went back afterwards to do the front bumper and sills. These got a coat of colly476 for interests sake as I've got a pot. :lol:
The overall breakdown as was below:
Results
Not too much to say yet. I'll keep an eye on beading, performance and durability over the coming weeks/months - and they'll have their work cut out with regular motorway miles planned in that time. Likewise with beading/sheeting when the opportunity arrises.
In terms of looks, most of it was achieved prior to the wax I'd guess, but either way here are some hopefully nice pics below (with requisite tin pics!). Apologies if some are blurry... I reaslise looking back that's because my hands were a bit shaky after 5-6 hrs of trying to be a DA! Also, I started to lose some light by the end, and they're Iphone pics. (Yes, that's Z16 on the floor... that was the next job).
Bonnet
Purple Haze Pro side:
Shiny SN roof
Supernatural side
And a nice pic when I stopped for petrol on the way home, and went "woah" when I stepped out of my car!
And as it would be rude not to by this point, candidates marked up :lol:: As bourne out by a 2nd look this morning... I'd say more flake is pronounced with the FK, but a deeper/wetter look with the SN
I'll try and update this thread with some "more useful" information moving forwards. But for now, as always, any comments/questions/criticism welcome :thumb:
Summary
Point
To test whether carnuba wax (Dodo Supernatural) durability is affected by use with Prima Amigo polymer glaze, since I've seen a few threads that raised questions over compatability/durability with waxes. [The instructions on the label only mention "synthetic" sealant/wax bonding - although this could be because they're a traditionally fussy LSP.] Also, to compare the carnuba wax to a hydrid wax/sealant (Dodo Purple Haze Pro), and against a traditional synthetic paste sealant (FK1000).
Prep
Car cleaned, clayed and cleansed with AF rejuvenate to provide a good base for testing.
Test
Prima Amigo was applied to specific sections (bonnet and selected rear panels), all three of SN, PHP and FK were applied both over the prima amigo, and on just clayed/cleansed (well prepped) paint. Collinite 476 was used for interest on some lower regions of the car tackled later in the day (though not over amigo as I was too tired ).
Results
Durability yet to be determined... car looks shiny
Update: 7 weeks, 5000 miles. Most of the wax has suffered - so beading sheeting are not what they were. Doesn't seem to be any different from bits with Prima on, or without. Although, fair to say the wax has rotted away from the outside first, rather than bonding issues with a base layer
The Long version, with pics:
Well, my last day of 2011 was a productive one... (my arms and legs hurt real bad right now). So, what did I get up to?
I washed, clayed and paint cleansed my bonnet, ready to apply some prima amigo and try a few carnuba waxes over the top and test them out, as a useful tester for what to apply come Spring time.
I felt this wouldn't really hold up much without a control. So followed my eager mood and dared the weather - mild 11deg c, but cloudy and threatening - and cracked on with the whole car since it was starting to lose some beading magic and shine. It hadn't been stripped back for 6 or so months and had a few odd layers on - so it seemed pointless loading more wax on top of a deteriorating base.
Prep
A quick run down of the routine: a healthy dose of Valet Pro orange pre wash, lots of rinsing, strong shampoo 2BM with Chemical Guys Glossworks, clayed with my new Bilt Hamber Medium and some born slippy/water in record time (pulled off more than I was expecting :doublesho), rewashed, dried, and cleaned with AF Rejuvenate pre-wax cleanser.
The Rejuvenate part is probably where the ache came from - a great paint cleanser and thin enough for a good work time... I worked it by hand hard (like a sweatshop worker in the run up to the Olympics!) with the white side of an ultimate (red/white) foam applicator - and after the effective clay session the results were pleasing.
Test
Now came for some testing... Due to the weather, this was tackled in stages. But the overall run-down was as follows: after paint cleaning all over, Prima Amigo was applied to the bonnet by the red side of the same sort of foam applicator:
And to the following rear panels (spoiler and lower bumper):
First up, I thought I would try a nice Carnuba wax I've been looking forward to using, so step up Dodo Supernatural for the right hand side of the bonnet. I thought a good comparison would be Dodo Purple Haze Pro, as this is a hydrid wax/sealant and might work well with the polymer glaze Amigo. This took the left hand side.
As a control, SN and PHP were applied to their respective sides of the car (wings, doors and quarter panels) WITHOUT Prima Amigo as a base, so to just clayed/cleansed paint, and SN to the roof also.
SN on the roof (I liked the fact you could focus two ways here!):
For those thinking "fool, you're not supposed to wax over Prima amigo". The rear of the car was taken care of with the paste sealant FK1000.
I'd cleansed and waxed these main areas of the car to "get them done" in case it rained. And went back afterwards to do the front bumper and sills. These got a coat of colly476 for interests sake as I've got a pot. :lol:
The overall breakdown as was below:
Results
Not too much to say yet. I'll keep an eye on beading, performance and durability over the coming weeks/months - and they'll have their work cut out with regular motorway miles planned in that time. Likewise with beading/sheeting when the opportunity arrises.
In terms of looks, most of it was achieved prior to the wax I'd guess, but either way here are some hopefully nice pics below (with requisite tin pics!). Apologies if some are blurry... I reaslise looking back that's because my hands were a bit shaky after 5-6 hrs of trying to be a DA! Also, I started to lose some light by the end, and they're Iphone pics. (Yes, that's Z16 on the floor... that was the next job).
Bonnet
Purple Haze Pro side:
Shiny SN roof
Supernatural side
And a nice pic when I stopped for petrol on the way home, and went "woah" when I stepped out of my car!
And as it would be rude not to by this point, candidates marked up :lol:: As bourne out by a 2nd look this morning... I'd say more flake is pronounced with the FK, but a deeper/wetter look with the SN
I'll try and update this thread with some "more useful" information moving forwards. But for now, as always, any comments/questions/criticism welcome :thumb: