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Old 19-02-2019, 10:53 AM   #41
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What I’m also describing (minus the pre-soak) is a 1BM method using multiple mitts. Whether using ONR or shampoo, it’s a multi mitt wash method.
Yes it is and nothing new, rinsless washing is not a new idea and neither is using multiple wash mitts or 10 or more Micro fiber cloths with the rinsless wash.

The op was suggesting a standard 2bm with multiple wash mits , not the same as a rinsless wash that your describing

With your 1bm / rinsless you don't have any ware to rinse the mitt so you'll need multiple mitts not an issue

If you have 2 buckets you don't need 10+ wash mitts as you can rinse one in a rinse bucket.

Even a 1bm with standard shampoo would need lots of mitts for a safe wash but a 2bm with a decent pre wash wont need 10+
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Old 20-02-2019, 12:07 AM   #42
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Yes it is and nothing new, rinsless washing is not a new idea and neither is using multiple wash mitts or 10 or more Micro fiber cloths with the rinsless wash.

The op was suggesting a standard 2bm with multiple wash mits , not the same as a rinsless wash that your describing

With your 1bm / rinsless you don't have any ware to rinse the mitt so you'll need multiple mitts not an issue

If you have 2 buckets you don't need 10+ wash mitts as you can rinse one in a rinse bucket.

Even a 1bm with standard shampoo would need lots of mitts for a safe wash but a 2bm with a decent pre wash wont need 10+
So which method would you say is A) easier and B) safer?

1. 1BM with 10 mitts (one for each panel)
2. 2BM with 5 mitts so you are rinsing as you go

Option 1, no?
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Old 20-02-2019, 12:09 AM   #43
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I tried it over the weekend and must say I preferred it, I know some wont but its so much less hassle than multi buckets, of course its essential to have a good pre wash stage.
Agreed - safer too IMO
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Old 20-02-2019, 10:57 AM   #44
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So which method would you say is A) easier and B) safer?

1. 1BM with 10 mitts (one for each panel)
2. 2BM with 5 mitts so you are rinsing as you go

Option 1, no?
It realy does depend on a lot of factors

for instance if your using 10 wash mitts I cant imagine each one being a £12 plush mitt otherwise thats £120 on mitts alone so your most likely going to use the cheap noodle ones

My 2bm consists of a plush wash pad for the top half a plush mitt for the lower half a noodle mitt for the sills and under bumpers

It has a pre wash with BH af in a pump sprayer on lowe half and snow foam over the whole car.

I use 2x 20 liter buckets , rinse one has a grit guard with washboard and wash bucket has a grit guard.

I would argue my safe 2bm method was safer than your 1bm method especialy if your not pre soaking

It seams a bit counter intuitive getting your PW out and not using 2 buckets and we all know to get a good pre wash a PW is a must to move as much dirt of the car before contact washing if you not giving it a good pre wash its definitely not safer
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Old 20-02-2019, 12:30 PM   #45
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It realy does depend on a lot of factors

for instance if your using 10 wash mitts I cant imagine each one being a £12 plush mitt otherwise thats £120 on mitts alone so your most likely going to use the cheap noodle ones

My 2bm consists of a plush wash pad for the top half a plush mitt for the lower half a noodle mitt for the sills and under bumpers

It has a pre wash with BH af in a pump sprayer on lowe half and snow foam over the whole car.

I use 2x 20 liter buckets , rinse one has a grit guard with washboard and wash bucket has a grit guard.

I would argue my safe 2bm method was safer than your 1bm method especialy if your not pre soaking

It seams a bit counter intuitive getting your PW out and not using 2 buckets and we all know to get a good pre wash a PW is a must to move as much dirt of the car before contact washing if you not giving it a good pre wash its definitely not safer
I cannot see how a 2BM would be safer than multi mitts (providing the mitts are of decent quality). Could you pick up 10 decent quality mitts for £5 a mitt? I think you could easily, don't forget they don't need to be the bees knees as they are only being used once, plus there is so much marketing hype when it comes to mitts which pushes prices up further. 10 mitts = £50 I think that realistic, and mine didn't cost that much!

No matter how good your mitt is (or how good you perceive it to be) the fact it has to be used several times over will by definition make it not as safe as using one mitt per panel. The chances of you retaining any grit in your mitt is naturally going to be much higher.

Counter intuitive getting your PW out and not using 2BM? Not sure I follow, my PW is used in the pre wash stage, nothing to do with using 2 buckets.

FYI - I do always pre wash - and thinking about it, I do actually use 2 buckets! One for my wash solution and mitts, the other to throw my used mitts into!

I would also argue that using multi mitts is a faster way of washing your car, I place a big value on how long the process takes. Some do, some don't I guess!!
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Old 20-02-2019, 01:00 PM   #46
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I cannot see how a 2BM would be safer than multi mitts (providing the mitts are of decent quality). Could you pick up 10 decent quality mitts for £5 a mitt? I think you could easily, don't forget they don't need to be the bees knees as they are only being used once, plus there is so much marketing hype when it comes to mitts which pushes prices up further. 10 mitts = £50 I think that realistic, and mine didn't cost that much!

No matter how good your mitt is (or how good you perceive it to be) the fact it has to be used several times over will by definition make it not as safe as using one mitt per panel. The chances of you retaining any grit in your mitt is naturally going to be much higher.

Counter intuitive getting your PW out and not using 2BM? Not sure I follow, my PW is used in the pre wash stage, nothing to do with using 2 buckets.

FYI - I do always pre wash - and thinking about it, I do actually use 2 buckets! One for my wash solution and mitts, the other to throw my used mitts into!

I would also argue that using multi mitts is a faster way of washing your car, I place a big value on how long the process takes. Some do, some don't I guess!!
Using one mitt per pannel is not much different to using one mitt on the top half of the car.

Your still wiping a surface with a mit that has already been use to pick up dirt from another part of the car and if the mitts are of cheaper quality youll be dragging grit across and the grit will be held closer to the surface

Your using your less quality mitt several times over as 1 panel will need several passes and then what do you do with the mitts after thow them away or wash them

Their is a clear difference between a plush long strand microfiber mitt and a noodle mitt

Once ive made a pass on a panel my mitt gets rinsed, rinse water is changed between top half and lower half

When you say then don't need to be the bees knees as they only get used once, not true as you cannot clean one panel in one motion/pass you will wipe once then move down a bit wipe again untill that panel has been cleaned with no rinse between passes how is that safer than a plush microfiber rinsed between every pass? its not it reality you just perceive it to be

And it being quicker I would not perceive that as a good thing, I like to take my time apply gental pressure and ensure im doing a decent job

the fact you percive it to be quicker and safe mean you more likely to cause damage as youll be under the impressions its quicker and safe

If your looking for speed that great and I wish you do achieve your car wash in the time frame your expecting but I wont be cutting corners trying to save time
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Old 20-02-2019, 01:39 PM   #47
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I have been considering using multiple mitts. So ordered some more mitts for a detailed wash on saturday. There are Chenille wash mitts @1.53 from amazon. Got the link from Forensic detailing youtube channel.

I think the arguement for using multiple mitts is that there is less chance of dirt being contaminated in the use of multiple mitts. You use one mitt for one panel, the only contamination will come from that panel. The next mitt is new and not contamintaed for the next panel. In addition the Shampoo bucket will not see any contamination.

By using one mitt and doing a thorough rinse of the mitt you will reduce the contamination in the mitt. But no matter how sharp your eyesight is you will never get rid of or see the finer contamination, unfortunately the 2BM using one Mitt or even 2 is not a foolproof method.

At the end of the day any contact wash has chances of paint damage...by using a clean Mitt per panel or a new Mitt per panel/s wash you are reducing contamination into your wash/rinse buckets.

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Old 20-02-2019, 02:23 PM   #48
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I'll just chime in and point out that of all the types of mitt available, the chenile MF noodle mitt (unbranded) was the best for inflicting the least amount of light scratches etc during use. Was tested quite thoroughly by PVD against the usual MF, natural lambswool etc.

Also agree although I don't use the mitt per panel method, I do believe it's the safest wash method possible.

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I went from the normal method with 2 buckets and grit guards with microfiber madness wash pads. And I bought those cheap pads from amazon that Forensic raves about. they are quite plush. It was so much easier to wash with the 10 pads and buckets, and there was no chance I could introduce any dirt into the wash bucket. As mentioned my prewash stage is very thorough, so only a film is left when I came to washing the car. Now my thoughts are that a grit guard HELPS prevent dirt particles coming up but DOESN'T stop them, so you will always have a chance that you are reintroducing dirt from the mitt, no matter how well you use the rinse bucket. This way, there is no chance of that ever happening in my opinion. but each to there own, the world would be a very different place if we all liked and did the same thing. Each way works, I just prefer the multi mitt one bucket method now, for speed and also maybe for a marginally safer wash.
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