Detailing World  

Go Back   Detailing World > Detailing Products > Waxes, Sealants & Paint Protection
DW Home Forum Home Merchandise Store Register FAQ Members List Calendar Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read

Waxes, Sealants & Paint Protection Sponsored by DODO JUICE Light Fantastic , Banana Armour, Orange Crush, Rainforest Rub, Purple Haze - www.dodojuice.com

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 31-05-2021, 06:23 AM   #1
Sheep
OCD Sufferer (Obsessive Car Detailer)
 
Sheep's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: British Columbia, Canada
Posts: 1,517
Thanks: 874
Thanked 1,299 Times in 562 Posts
Send a message via MSN to Sheep
Encyclobeadia Driptannica - The LSP Reference Database

The Encyclobeadia Driptannica - The LSP Reference Database

Greetings!

In case you were wondering, the title above is in fact, not a typo. The Encyclobeadia Driptannica is going to be one of my longest running detailing projects, potentially without any end date. In essence, the ED is a database of LSP performance characteristics, designed to showcase product performance both initially and after simulated wear using chemical detergents.

Untitled by brianjosephson1, on Flickr

The Inspiration

I came up with this idea after searching reviews on a specific wax and being left underwhelmed with the quality of the reviews, the information to support the verbiage, and the overall transparency and preparation done to allow the product to perform at it’s best. With my experience in reviewing products and knowledge of detailing prep, combined with my photography skills, and C grade writing and joke making, I decided that maybe I should be the one making reviews and sharing the information with those that are interested. I’ve done full blown reviews in the past and enjoy them thoroughly, but in the interest of data and efficiency, the ED is more of a quick reference database instead of a long winded story.

The Test Setup

In order to fully control the test parameters and environment, I needed a test panel small enough to keep and work on inside, but large enough to allow for reasonable test sections and hopefully, multiple products at a time. Luckily I have access to random car parts through my work, and thus have picked up a couple painted panels to use for this test, both of which are the same paint, colour, and material. These 2 tow hook covers off various land rover models will serve as the water and chemical testing panels. For gloss (filling) I have a black panel that has been “prepped” with a rotary polisher to have a uniform level of buffer haze. All water testing will be performed after the products have cured for 24 hours unless otherwise stated (full blown ceramic coatings will be given 2 weeks as that is the usual time before wash chemicals can be safely introduced). Filling abilities will be recorded after 24 hours, giving the products enough time to cure and showcase their true appearance. Chemical testing will be performed 24 hours after application unless stated otherwise, some potentially longer if instructions require it which will be noted.

Untitled by brianjosephson1, on Flickr

Water will be applied with both an eye dropper and a trigger nozzle using the mist setting. The mist setting will be recorded before and after chemical testing which will consist of Super Clean Degreaser mixed down first to 10:1, and then followed by 3:1, with the panel wiped and dried before rechecking water behavior. The idea behind chemical testing is to see a rough estimate on durability. This isn’t the be all / end all of the product's endurance, or even that relevant in the real world, but you may encounter situations where a degreaser is needed to clean your car, and knowing whether or not it will remove your LSP is worthwhile knowledge to have on hand. The super clean mixtures will be applied using a Detail Factory Brush dipped into a cup with the chemical mixture inside and agitated into the panel. The Detail Factory brush is great for this test as it is extremely gentle and therefore allows only the chemical to do the degrading instead of the medium in which it's applied.

Products will be applied in a set way depending on their type. Spray products will be applied to suede covered foam applicators and spread onto the test section in overlapping passes. Sprays that require a flash or haze time will then do so after this step. Liquid/non spray and paste/hard wax products will be applied with foam applicators. Curing requirements will be followed as per manufacturer instructions. Ceramic coatings and other hard curing products will be applied using cotton makeup pads following manufacturer instructions. All products will be removed using low nap MF cloths.

After each test, all panels will be re-polished to remove old product using mild polishes, followed by panel wipe. If necessary, more aggressive polishes may be used to remove more stubborn LSPs (ceramic coatings). The filling panel will be polished via rotary to remove products and restore buffer haze, followed by panel wipe.

The Documentation

All this testing and procedure will be for naught if it isn’t recorded in an organized and repeatable fashion. Eye dropper Beading photos will be taken with back lighting provided by LED wall fixtures (shop lights) using a DSLR with a telephoto lens. Mist setting photos will be taken with the same lens setup and lighting conditions. The back lighting helps highlight the overall bead shape, making the relative contact angle more apparent (I’m not measuring contact angles but for those interested this will be the best way to do it).

Filling performance will be recorded with the same camera setup but using a hand held light such as a phone light or LED torch (I have both). I will note which was used in each test if I happen to find myself switching depending on the panel/section.

When applicable, the camera will be on a tripod.

The formatting

This was the hardest part to figure out. I want this to be contained and displayed in one post/thread, but even just my own collection of products is large enough to make that a really, really long post. Instead I think I’ll do it in waves. I have the ability to test 7 separate products at a time if I discount the darker coloured panel, and 5 if I want to use just 1 panel. Given the amount of photos needed for each product, 7 should be a workable number for each update. All of these photos are available on my Flickr account for those that want to pixel peep.

Untitled by brianjosephson1, on Flickr

The overall format will consist of the product image, initial water behavior (dropper and mist setting), filling performance, and then chemical test results for both 10:1 and 3:1. I will link each post back to this main post for quick referencing to help find updates as they happen. Each round may have some brief comments on the results and any noteworthy things that arose during the test. Again, this isn’t a full review, it’s just mainly data.

Thank you again for reading and helping me take on this challenge. As I said I've been wanting to do this for some time and DW is really the only place I'd like to have it hosted!

Links to Posts containing ED updates
Round 1 - AG HD, Wowo C121, Wowo CS-V3, Tac Sys Shinee Wax, Turtle Wax, SNS-V2, Turtle Wax ceramic spray coating, Bouncers Done and Dusted Si Ed.
Round 2 - Powerlock +, Auto Chem Poly Glaze, Megs HCLW, Simoniz CLW, AG EGP, Opti Seal, PNS
Round 3 - Megs UQK, Megs UQK-V2, Megs HCD, Fk1000P, 476S, Finis Wax, TW Ex Shine Carnauba

Last edited by Sheep; 22-07-2021 at 04:33 AM.
Sheep is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following 5 Users Say Thank You to Sheep For This Useful Post:
IanG (25-07-2021), roscopervis (31-05-2021), Stoner (14-06-2021), straight6hatch (22-07-2021), weedougall78 (31-05-2021)
Old 31-05-2021, 06:24 AM   #2
Sheep
OCD Sufferer (Obsessive Car Detailer)
 
Sheep's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: British Columbia, Canada
Posts: 1,517
Thanks: 874
Thanked 1,299 Times in 562 Posts
Send a message via MSN to Sheep
Update one!

This is the first installment in the Encyclobeadia Driptannica. 7 products were tested using the procedures outlined in the main post of the thread. Photos will follow the order of..

Product, Filling, Single Bead, Mist beads, 10:1 detergent results, 3:1 detergent results. These are all based on the methods described above. Below are the products tested in this round.

Autoglym HD Wax
WoWo's Contact 121
WoWo's Crystal Sealant V3
Tac System Shinee Wax
Turtle Wax Seal N Shine V2
Turtle Wax Hybrid Solutions Ceramic Spray Coating
Bouncers Done and Dusted Si Edition.

Enjoy!

Autoglym HD Wax
DSC_2472 by brianjosephson1, on Flickr
DSC_2594 by brianjosephson1, on Flickr
DSC_2603 by brianjosephson1, on Flickr
DSC_2605 by brianjosephson1, on Flickr
DSC_2619 by brianjosephson1, on Flickr
DSC_2626 by brianjosephson1, on Flickr

WoWo Contact 121
DSC_2471 by brianjosephson1, on Flickr
DSC_2595 by brianjosephson1, on Flickr
DSC_2604 by brianjosephson1, on Flickr
DSC_2606 by brianjosephson1, on Flickr
DSC_2620 by brianjosephson1, on Flickr
DSC_2627 by brianjosephson1, on Flickr

WoWo Crystal Sealant V3
DSC_2453 by brianjosephson1, on Flickr
DSC_2596 by brianjosephson1, on Flickr
DSC_2607 by brianjosephson1, on Flickr
DSC_2613 by brianjosephson1, on Flickr
DSC_2621 by brianjosephson1, on Flickr
DSC_2628 by brianjosephson1, on Flickr

Tac System Shinee Wax
DSC_2450 by brianjosephson1, on Flickr
DSC_2597 by brianjosephson1, on Flickr
DSC_2608 by brianjosephson1, on Flickr
DSC_2614 by brianjosephson1, on Flickr
DSC_2622 by brianjosephson1, on Flickr
DSC_2629 by brianjosephson1, on Flickr

Turtle Wax Ice Seal N Shine V2
-Unfazed in chemical testing.
DSC_2449 by brianjosephson1, on Flickr
DSC_2598 by brianjosephson1, on Flickr
DSC_2609 by brianjosephson1, on Flickr
DSC_2615 by brianjosephson1, on Flickr
DSC_2623 by brianjosephson1, on Flickr
DSC_2630 by brianjosephson1, on Flickr

Turtle Wax Hybrid Solutions Ceramic Spray Coating
DSC_2452 by brianjosephson1, on Flickr
DSC_2599 by brianjosephson1, on Flickr
DSC_2611 by brianjosephson1, on Flickr
DSC_2616 by brianjosephson1, on Flickr
DSC_2624 by brianjosephson1, on Flickr
DSC_2631 by brianjosephson1, on Flickr

Bouncers Done and Dusted Si Edition
-Crazy slick
DSC_2461 by brianjosephson1, on Flickr
DSC_2602 by brianjosephson1, on Flickr
DSC_2612 by brianjosephson1, on Flickr
DSC_2617 by brianjosephson1, on Flickr
DSC_2625 by brianjosephson1, on Flickr
DSC_2632 by brianjosephson1, on Flickr

Last edited by Sheep; 31-05-2021 at 06:44 AM.
Sheep is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following 9 Users Say Thank You to Sheep For This Useful Post:
AndyN01 (14-06-2021), Elvis1977 (31-05-2021), GeeWhizRS (31-05-2021), nbray67 (31-05-2021), roscopervis (31-05-2021), RS3 (31-05-2021), straight6hatch (22-07-2021), vectra (31-05-2021), weedougall78 (31-05-2021)
Old 31-05-2021, 12:46 PM   #3
roscopervis
OCD Sufferer (Obsessive Car Detailer)
 
roscopervis's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Gorseinon, Swansea
Posts: 2,521
Thanks: 523
Thanked 1,040 Times in 783 Posts
Nobel prize for detailing of it ever started and this goes where it could!
roscopervis is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to roscopervis For This Useful Post:
Sheep (31-05-2021)
Old 31-05-2021, 04:20 PM   #4
vectra
PC Perfectionist
 
vectra's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Cork _ Ireland
Posts: 437
Thanks: 603
Thanked 131 Times in 109 Posts
Fantastic idea.
Really looking forward to this.
vectra is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to vectra For This Useful Post:
Sheep (31-05-2021)
Old 14-06-2021, 05:37 AM   #5
Sheep
OCD Sufferer (Obsessive Car Detailer)
 
Sheep's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: British Columbia, Canada
Posts: 1,517
Thanks: 874
Thanked 1,299 Times in 562 Posts
Send a message via MSN to Sheep
Update 2!

This is the second round of product testing and documentation so far. I ended up letting the products sit for a week before testing, as life got busy and I didn't have the time I needed to do it properly. As before the products will follow the same photo chain which is below.

Product, Filling, Single Bead, Mist beads, 10:1 detergent results, 3:1 detergent results. These are all based on the methods described above. Below are the products tested in this round.

Jescar Powerlock Plus
Auto Chem Poly Glaze
Meguiars Hybrid Ceramic Liquid Wax
Simoniz Ceramic Liquid Wax
Autoglym Extra Gloss Protection
Optimum Opti-seal
Sonax Polymer Net Shield


Jescar Powerlock Plus
DSC_2475 by brianjosephson1, on Flickr
DSC_2646 by brianjosephson1, on Flickr
DSC_2658 by brianjosephson1, on Flickr
DSC_2666 by brianjosephson1, on Flickr
DSC_2673 by brianjosephson1, on Flickr
DSC_2680 by brianjosephson1, on Flickr

Auto Chem Poly Glaze
DSC_2476 by brianjosephson1, on Flickr
DSC_2643 by brianjosephson1, on Flickr
DSC_2659 by brianjosephson1, on Flickr
DSC_2667 by brianjosephson1, on Flickr
DSC_2674 by brianjosephson1, on Flickr
DSC_2681 by brianjosephson1, on Flickr

Meguiars Hybrid Ceramic Liquid Wax
DSC_2467 by brianjosephson1, on Flickr
DSC_2645 by brianjosephson1, on Flickr
DSC_2660 by brianjosephson1, on Flickr
DSC_2668 by brianjosephson1, on Flickr
DSC_2675 by brianjosephson1, on Flickr
DSC_2682 by brianjosephson1, on Flickr

Simoniz Ceramic Liquid Wax
DSC_2477 by brianjosephson1, on Flickr
DSC_2644 by brianjosephson1, on Flickr
DSC_2661 by brianjosephson1, on Flickr
DSC_2669 by brianjosephson1, on Flickr
DSC_2676 by brianjosephson1, on Flickr
DSC_2683 by brianjosephson1, on Flickr

Autoglym Extra Gloss Protection
DSC_2462 by brianjosephson1, on Flickr
DSC_2642 by brianjosephson1, on Flickr
DSC_2662 by brianjosephson1, on Flickr
DSC_2670 by brianjosephson1, on Flickr
DSC_2677 by brianjosephson1, on Flickr
DSC_2684 by brianjosephson1, on Flickr

Optimum Opti-seal
DSC_2463 by brianjosephson1, on Flickr
DSC_2649 by brianjosephson1, on Flickr
DSC_2663 by brianjosephson1, on Flickr
DSC_2671 by brianjosephson1, on Flickr
DSC_2678 by brianjosephson1, on Flickr
DSC_2685 by brianjosephson1, on Flickr

Sonax Polymer Net Shield
DSC_2464 by brianjosephson1, on Flickr
DSC_2650 by brianjosephson1, on Flickr
DSC_2665 by brianjosephson1, on Flickr
DSC_2672 by brianjosephson1, on Flickr
DSC_2679 by brianjosephson1, on Flickr
DSC_2686 by brianjosephson1, on Flickr

OK, that's it for this update, stay tuned for more!
Sheep is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following 5 Users Say Thank You to Sheep For This Useful Post:
GSVHammer (15-06-2021), roscopervis (14-06-2021), SadlyDistracted (18-06-2021), straight6hatch (22-07-2021), vectra (16-06-2021)
Old 22-07-2021, 04:28 AM   #6
Sheep
OCD Sufferer (Obsessive Car Detailer)
 
Sheep's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: British Columbia, Canada
Posts: 1,517
Thanks: 874
Thanked 1,299 Times in 562 Posts
Send a message via MSN to Sheep
Update 3!

This is the third round of product testing and documentation. These products ended up curing for around 3 weeks before water testing as life got in the way and we had a massive heatwave that made the garage unbearable. As always, the product image will follow the same pattern, only condition this time is the filling photo was taken with my phone instead of the big camera (still adequate).

Product, Filling, Single Bead, Mist beads, 10:1 detergent results, 3:1 detergent results. These are all based on the methods described above. Below are the products tested in this round.

Meguiars Ultimate Quik Wax
Meguiars Ultimate Quik Wax New Formula
Meguiars Hybrid Ceramic Detailer
Finish Kare FK1000P
Collinite 476S
Bilt Hamber Finis Wax
Turtle Wax Express Shine Carnauba Cleaner Wax

Meguiars Ultimate Quik Wax
DSC_2460 by brianjosephson1, on Flickr
IMG_1407 by brianjosephson1, on Flickr
DSC_2687 by brianjosephson1, on Flickr
DSC_2695 by brianjosephson1, on Flickr
DSC_2702 by brianjosephson1, on Flickr
DSC_2704 by brianjosephson1, on Flickr

Meguiars Ultimate Quik Wax New Formula
DSC_2456 by brianjosephson1, on Flickr
IMG_1408 by brianjosephson1, on Flickr
DSC_2689 by brianjosephson1, on Flickr
DSC_2696 by brianjosephson1, on Flickr
DSC_2703 by brianjosephson1, on Flickr
DSC_2705 by brianjosephson1, on Flickr

Meguiars Hybrid Ceramic Detailer
DSC_2455 by brianjosephson1, on Flickr
IMG_1406 by brianjosephson1, on Flickr
DSC_2694 by brianjosephson1, on Flickr
DSC_2701 by brianjosephson1, on Flickr
DSC_2712 by brianjosephson1, on Flickr
DSC_2717 by brianjosephson1, on Flickr

Finish Kare FK1000P
DSC_2470 by brianjosephson1, on Flickr
IMG_1402 by brianjosephson1, on Flickr
DSC_2689 by brianjosephson1, on Flickr
DSC_2697 by brianjosephson1, on Flickr
DSC_2707 by brianjosephson1, on Flickr
DSC_2713 by brianjosephson1, on Flickr

Collinite 476S
DSC_2473 by brianjosephson1, on Flickr
IMG_1403 by brianjosephson1, on Flickr
DSC_2691 by brianjosephson1, on Flickr
DSC_2698 by brianjosephson1, on Flickr
DSC_2709 by brianjosephson1, on Flickr
DSC_2714 by brianjosephson1, on Flickr

Bilt Hamber Finis Wax
DSC_2474 by brianjosephson1, on Flickr
IMG_1404 by brianjosephson1, on Flickr
DSC_2692 by brianjosephson1, on Flickr
DSC_2699 by brianjosephson1, on Flickr
DSC_2710 by brianjosephson1, on Flickr
DSC_2715 by brianjosephson1, on Flickr

Turtle Wax Express Shine Carnauba Cleaner Wax
DSC_2458 by brianjosephson1, on Flickr
IMG_1405 by brianjosephson1, on Flickr
DSC_2693 by brianjosephson1, on Flickr
DSC_2700 by brianjosephson1, on Flickr
DSC_2711 by brianjosephson1, on Flickr
DSC_2716 by brianjosephson1, on Flickr

Ok, that's it for now. More coming in the future!
Sheep is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to Sheep For This Useful Post:
roscopervis (22-07-2021), straight6hatch (22-07-2021)
Old 22-07-2021, 04:38 AM   #7
Sheep
OCD Sufferer (Obsessive Car Detailer)
 
Sheep's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: British Columbia, Canada
Posts: 1,517
Thanks: 874
Thanked 1,299 Times in 562 Posts
Send a message via MSN to Sheep
Hey Everyone!

This test is going to go through a slight change up. Not in the test itself, but the panels. The fender I was using for filling was getting a little unruly to photography and re-swirl. The shape of it was extremely difficult to capture correctly. I have since thn picked up a couple new pieces of gloss black trim that will replace it. These trims are much flatter, and more even for photographing, and don't require a rotary polisher to reset the swirl marks. Going forward, this panel will replace the fender, and the test will drop to 4 sections from 7. I am running out of products to test, and I need my other 2 piece section for other tests and reviews (stuff coming up!). Below is the test pieces. As of right now, only the large one is being used for filling, where the 2 smaller ones will be used for more tests and reviews as filling/enhancement test sections.

Untitled by brianjosephson1, on Flickr
Untitled by brianjosephson1, on Flickr
Untitled by brianjosephson1, on Flickr

Thanks for reading!
Sheep is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following 5 Users Say Thank You to Sheep For This Useful Post:
JU5T1N (22-07-2021), pt1 (22-07-2021), roscopervis (22-07-2021), straight6hatch (22-07-2021), Teamleader 21 (23-07-2021)
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT +1. The time now is 12:52 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.2
Copyright ©2000 - 2021, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
DTO Garage vBulletin Plugins by Drive Thru Online, Inc.

vB.Sponsors
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.2
Copyright ©2000 - 2021, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
DTO Garage vBulletin Plugins by Drive Thru Online, Inc.

vB.Sponsors