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Major Brand Leather Care Products - Are they Ruining our Leather Interiors?

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#1 ·
Some would say yes, advocating that only water based protectants should be used, and that big name 'conditoners' merely serve to attract dirt and ultimately degrade leather finishes.

This may be true, or it may not. The problem is; when ever such a debate is raised we never receive technical comment from the major brands.

Ultimately this is leading to people being confused as to what they should use.

So I think we should clear this up once and for all with input from the 'big name' manufacturers.
 
#2 ·
See JudyB posts on water-based leather products

Or some light reading :) - "Leather Care - CliffNotes® Version" "Leather Upholstery Type Surface Identification" "Oil and oil-based leather products" "What products to use for auto leather upholstery care?"
-An excerpt from The Art & Science of Detailing - http://togwt1980.blogspot.com
 
#4 ·
See JudyB posts on water-based leather products

Or some light reading - "Leather Care - CliffNotes® Version" "Leather Upholstery Type Surface Identification" "Oil and oil-based leather products" "What products to use for auto leather upholstery care?"
-An excerpt from The Art & Science of Detailing - http://togwt1980.blogspot.com
I have :) But, I was kinda hoping that this would be a chance to hear what the manufacturers have to say about their own products which usually get such a pasting in threads like that.
 
#5 ·
Two of the major leather car manufactures say this:

EAGLE OTTAWA

Automotive leather is typically finished with coatings which protect the surface from the sun's damaging rays as well making it resistant to soiling. The finishes used in automotive upholstery leather are unique - much different than furniture, garment or shoe leathers. Leather is extremely resilient and easy to clean and maintain.

Before cleaning leather upholstery, vacuum it to remove dust. To clean leather, simply use a clean, soft and lint-free cloth dampened with lukewarm water and mild soap. Use a gentle, circular motion - do not rub the leather or apply extreme pressure when cleaning.

Wipe the leather again with another clean, slightly damp cloth to remove soap residue. Dry with a soft cloth.

To maintain its resiliency, leather should be cleaned whenever it becomes soiled. Dust and dirt may harm leather if allowed to work into the finish. No words about conditioners to maintain the resiliency. www.eagleottawa.com

BOXMARK

BOXMARK leather does not really need any special care. Remove dust with a soft, dry wool cloth with light, rotary motions or use a vacuum cleaner.

You can read that in www.boxmark.com (in "Services" : Leather Care") and never speak about conditioners etc.
 
#6 · (Edited)
I looked at a detailing care product vendor site and found nine (9) pages of leather care products, mostly expensive oil-based leather 'conditioners' this could be the reason they ignore an appropriate care product for the upholstery material actually used for automotive upholstery.

So it makes sense (or should that be dollars and cents) that they may be reluctant to make comments on leather conditioners Commercialism brings with it concerns of honesty and true representation. In other words, it's difficult to know what is true when someone is motivated by income, i.e. directly targeted at product sales, more so than an unbiased opinion.
 
#7 ·
Major Brand Leather Care Products - Are they Ruining our Leather Interiors? Some would say yes, advocating that only water based protectants should be used, and that big name 'conditoners' merely serve to attract dirt and ultimately degrade leather finishes.

This may be true, or it may not. The problem is; when ever such a debate is raised we never receive technical comment from the major brands.

Ultimately this is leading to people being confused as to what they should use.

So I think we should clear this up once and for all with input from the 'big name' manufacturers.
[This is a quite lengthy post, I apologise for that, please read it carefully though as I hope it answers the original question]

I had seen this thread but was also requested to comment by dominic84 in a PM. I would like to reply by commenting on the above statement.
"Some would say yes, advocating that only water based protectants should be used, and that big name 'conditioners' merely serve to attract dirt and ultimately degrade leather finishes."

Autoglym has a leather range comprising of 2 products, Leather Cleaner and Leather Care Balm. Both these products are water based, although the Balm does contain oils. Interior Cleaner can also be used to clean leather provided suitable care is taken. Leather Care Balm would fall under the 'conditioner umbrella' and if used according to the instructions it will neither 'attract dirt', 'degrade finishes' nor ruin leather interiors. If it did the product would not sell very well, nor have gained the approval of several large motor manufacturers.

From our website:

"More than twenty motor manufacturers use Autoglym products in manufacturing or presentation processes. Early recognition and technical approvals by Jaguar Cars, Aston Martin, Morgan Cars and other important names contributed to initial success.

The company currently holds international approvals from over forty car marques with many leading car manufacturers and importers choosing Autoglym products for on-line production work, main-dealer use and motorshow preparation."

I would like to concentrate a little more on Jaguar, as they approached us for proof that our products could be safely used on their leather whilst still ensuring the original leather specification set by Jaguar was maintained. This came about as Jaguar could not recommend a proprietary leather cleaner/protector, as some of the products available at the time where aggressive and could cause damage over time. 15 tests, a mixture of Jaguars own tests and other ISO test methods were carried out. These tests were carried out by Jaguar at their own testing facility and not by Autoglym. As a result of this testing, our leather range and interior cleaner were approved to be used on Jaguar leather and this was communicated to all dealers via a bulletin in 2006.
We also have a long standing relationship with Aston Martin. Many of our products, including our leather range, are used at the company's Works Service in Buckinghamshire which renovate, carry out repairs, improvements and modifications to their customer's vehicles.

We have also produced bespoke collections for Rolls Royce, Bentley, Subaru and Mazda with our leather range included in those products. Again we have had to meet external manufacturers approval, not just our own specifications.

The products we do make have had real thought and care put into them and we believe they do a good job. We genuinely like the motor sector and are hugely proud to be a part of it, especially when our role is so visual and can bring about real change in our customers vehicles. There are leather experts on Detailing World who have devoted many many hours to this particular material and therefore have a heightened understanding of it. We may not have this in house but do not just invent a product and ship it out to market. Over the years we have consulted with leather manufacturers including Connoly Hides, Bridge of Weir and other leading firms. We were given access to the manufacturing methods and processes to ensure we were not making something that would damage or degrade their product.

We have proved the efficacy of our products to ourselves, our customers and the respected manufacturers above. Taking all this into consideration I feel we are justified in saying our products do not 'attract dirt and ultimately degrade leather finishes', nor are they 'ruining [y]our Leather Interiors'.
 
#8 · (Edited)
There are three main types of leather finish

1. Unfinished dyed leather; aniline dyes are translucent, the transparency of the dye enables you to see the natural marks on the leather. Because it's the top-grain, this leather has plenty of physical durability.

2. Finished leather is aniline dyed then a topical water-based pigmentationand then a clear coating are applied to the surface. These coating represent the colour and sheen on the leather.

3. Protected leather with a pigmented urethane coating, without the tensile strength of top-grain, consequently will have a short useful life expectancy. Split-hides are typically heavily pigmented with a heavy urethane clear coat.

The common denominator is that whatever the leather finish any product that is applied to its surface must allow evaporation and hydration i.e. the flow of moisture back and forth

I've never put much faith in a 'one size fits all' type product

A somewhat long but very enlightening / educational thread on the care of auto leather - http://www.detailingworld.co.uk/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=11

JudyB LTT on Autopia (Post #30) - http://www.autopia.org/forum/car-de...product-discussion/129391-list-water-based-leather-conditioners-cleaners-3.html
 
#11 · (Edited)
I have nothing against AG. I use many AG products as Instant Tyre Dressing, Paint Renovator, Interior Shampoo, UDS or Vinyl Rubber Care. In Spain this brand is not much appreciate in the detail area. Maybe they have better sales in spanish stores etc. For detailers it was an appreciate brand many years ago but nowadays was replaced for others brands. I don´t agree with that, of course and I defend AG in many spanish forums. Many spanish detailers are surprised when they find AG so well appreciate in DW. I think that AG could improve its marketing here. It´s only my personal advice.

I have Leather Care Balm but this balm remains over my new A4 S.Line seats due to they have a top coat. But when I used this balm on an old pair of shoes and on an old leather jacket they improved notably because they are leathers without top. I think Care Balm is not the best product for finished or top coated leathers. This is my experience.

I read all the AG reasons but don´t forget that all the above main brands are finally english brands.

Greetings
Xabby