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#21 ·
BRUN said:
are Sonax PNS and Xtreme Protect & Shine likely the same product ?

im thinking either one of these, or Fusso, need to make a decision and soon
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I think the pns is the pro version... Protect and shine more user friendly. Dont think there is much between them. Apply to bare paint [emoji1303]

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#22 ·
Check out the beads from Waterblock Extra Gloss
https://www.detailingworld.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=389461

You'll see the beads are really tall with a full roundness, a sign of a high contact angle.

So many pics of beading on instagram of supposedly "ace beading" where they are all flat and non uniform so not actually great (imho but as long as people are happy with that, good for them).

Wowo's 121 is also very good but I can't find any pics right now. Waterblock for the money is astonishing.
 
#23 ·
In my personal opinion the most hydrophobic products I've come across are those with a fluorinated silicon as their primary component, so we're talking "spray and rinse" products (which there are so many of, Turtlewax Dry & Shine is so good for the price, but for me CarPro Hydro2 concentrate was more hydrophobic by a small margin). In my reading is seems that in general fluorinated products take something into the superhydrophobic category https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superhydrophobic_coating

On their own they're great, but short lived, and perform substantially better when on a suitable surface that's already coated in some way. So for me a surface primed with say CarPro Essence, then coated, and a "spray and rinse" on top is amazing (but the short superhydrophobicity is short lived).

I've not yet used a secondary coating like Gliss or Exo.
 
#24 ·
JoeyJoeJo said:
Check out the beads from Waterblock Extra Gloss
https://www.detailingworld.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=389461

You'll see the beads are really tall with a full roundness, a sign of a high contact angle.

So many pics of beading on instagram of supposedly "ace beading" where they are all flat and non uniform so not actually great (imho but as long as people are happy with that, good for them).

Wowo's 121 is also very good but I can't find any pics right now. Waterblock for the money is astonishing.
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I have waterblock, fusso, bsd, sonax extreme protect and shine amongst others and on prepped paint i think protect and shine comes out on top. There isnt to much in it compared with the soft 99 products though

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Discussion starter · #25 ·
pt1 said:
I have waterblock, fusso, bsd, sonax extreme protect and shine amongst others and on prepped paint i think protect and shine comes out on top. There isnt to much in it compared with the soft 99 products though

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thanks, if their isnt much in it, im thinking maybe go with Fusso with it lasting so long, im not on top of car cleaning anymore so something long lasting would edge it for me
 
#27 ·
As per everyone else, Sonax BSD and Fusso Cost are pretty hard to beat with going down the costing avenue.
I'll put Sonax Polymer Net Shield out there though too. Beads like BSD but lasts longer. Just doesn't feel very slick to the touch.

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#30 ·
Fusso is no nonsense. It has very good water beading. Sonax Polymer Netshield or Hybrid NPT and BSD are part of a 2 part system - the PNS or NPT are the base sealant (very beady, ridiculous) and BSD is the top up product. They have similar chemistry and the lack of slickness is how they produce their beads - the lotus effect they mention is like the leaves of the lotus flower. Microscopically, this is not smooth, but produces crazy beads.


The MOST beady product I have ever used is Wowo's Noanocoat. It isn't sold now, but it was their top of the range 'wax'. 124 deg contact angle and very slick. It was a paste coating really. Their Contact 121 Wax is very similar, will probably last 6 months too.
 
#32 ·
IMHO the best beader is Sonax Polymer netshield (PNS) and Sonax brilliant shine detailer. And no, I have not used all the products on the market.

I have also used Soft 99 fusso coat (both the paste and liquid version) and they are also very good. On a non scientific test I did on my car; I used PNS on one side of the hood and Fusso coat 7 on the other side. After a wash or in rain I tested to drive the car and the side who had PNS was beading "off the water" faster then the fusso side. I also noticed that PNS was cleaner for a longer time then the Fusso side.
 
Discussion starter · #33 · (Edited)
is one better than the other between Xtreme Protect & Shine Hybrid NPT and ProfiLine Polymer Net Shield

I understand the Profiline is the 'trade/pro' product but does that make it better ?

also does the Fusso really last 12 months ?
 
#34 ·
BRUN said:
is one better than the other between Xtreme Protect & Shine Hybrid NPT and ProfiLine Polymer Net Shield

I understand the Profiline is the 'trade/pro' product but does that make it better ?

also does the Fusso really last 12 months ?
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IMO there isn't differences with those two Sonax regarding beading. PNS is more durable but Protect&Shine should give you about 10000km and 4-5 months durability.

About Fusso. I detailed one car after 10 months and Fusso was still holding quite well. It was also reqularly washed (once every two weeks or so). Though it was old version from Fusso.
 
#38 ·
James_R said:
Nice to hear from you again BRUN :wave:

Hehe, I joined Cliosport in 2006 when I bought my ph2 172.
I think you got hold of a ITG panel filter for me.

Since then I've had a 182 Cup, Twingo RS133 and now have [look left] a Mk3 Clio 200 in Liquid Yellow :argie:

Stick around mate :thumb:

Post up what products you end up going for mate - what you driving nowadays?
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I joined there in 2005. Had a metallic blue 182 back then (hence my username on here). Moved onto a few different cars then had an Inferno 182 cup track car for a bit :driver:
 
#39 ·
Stu-TDi said:
I haven't seen Chemical Guys Hydro products mentioned here? Hydroslick, Hydrocharge and Hydrosuds.... has anyone got any experience with these products?
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From what I've seen on youtube they're decent, but it seems a lot of those "dump chemicals on LSP" channels can't follow application instructions properly so we never know good they can really be. I've heard the Hydroslick (the gel version) can be a pain to use, but it also seems to be legit, with real SiO2 content (hardens in a towel, dries to a very hard non buff-able spot if missed).
 
#40 ·
Sheep said:
From what I've seen on youtube they're decent, but it seems a lot of those "dump chemicals on LSP" channels can't follow application instructions properly so we never know good they can really be. I've heard the Hydroslick (the gel version) can be a pain to use, but it also seems to be legit, with real SiO2 content (hardens in a towel, dries to a very hard non buff-able spot if missed).
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Ive actually bought and used Hydroslick since I asked the question and it is very easy to apply and remove (just dont use too much product on the applicator and make sure its a microfibre one not sponge). The surface is amazingly slick and beading is insane. Would recommend it highly. As for durability, we will have to wait and see :thumb:
 
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