Professional coatings such as Gtechniq ultra serum
Fusso coat is the most hydrophobic wax I've used but there are threads I've seen on here with speciality waxes that I cant remember where the beads look more like bubbles lifting off the surface. I'll have a search.

 

Fusso Coat Soft99 and Sonax BSD get my vote for excellent hydrophobicity for less than £40.

 

Another vote for BSD
At £7.99 delivered 'tis a bit of a bargain

https://www.carparts4less.co.uk/p/sonax-xtreme-brilliant-shine-detailer-750ml-549992160

 

You want a product with a contact angle greater than 110 degrees for superb hydophobicity.

Something like Gtechniq Exo, CarPro Gliss or Carbon Collective Oracle will give you a great self-cleaning and durable LSP that keeps you car cleaner for longer.

These products are toppers for ceramic coatings but all of them can be used as stand alone LSP’s.

Alan W

 

Can you explain the contact angle part Alan? Sounds interesting.

 

Basically the less of a bead of water that is in contact with the panel the greater the contact angle and the easier it will slide off.

Have look HERE for a better and more comprehensive explanation. :lol:

Alan W

 

Gotcha, thanks Alan.

 

Sonax extreme protect and shine npt is a step up from even bsd and fusso i think. Fusso will last longer though.Its normally around £13

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My own car wears CSL & Exo and putting aside personal experience on how they have fared durability-wise, Exo is a 7/10 beader at best.

In my experience there isn't a 'best' beader... there are different types of great water behaviour;

Optically - Sonax BSD has those perfect pronounced uniform 4D beads. I haven't seen anything top it.

Repellency - With forced air / on a Motorway Gyeon Cancoat flings water off quicker than anything I've seen.. it's so fun to watch. I have heard that the Skin coating offers even better, albeit short lived repellency.

Micro beading - Kamikaze Overcoat. This is a great compromise as you get great beading but the car still drys relatively quickly minimising the amount of dirt that encapsulates within the water.

I wonder how these three compare contact-angle wise?

 

Any consensus on what is the most hydrophobic product out there ?

Can I narrow it down to stuff under £40 too, looking at things that are excellent value too

I keep seeing Fusso mentioned, this wasn't around when I was last on here, and a few Sonax and Turtle wax things too

BRUN from the old Cliosport days ?

Fusso Coat 12 month coating is brilliant, great value too. £22 ish ?
Not too bad to apply (with a damp applicator sponge) and remove after 10-15 mins.
Beading is very very good, and lasts nicely. (I top with a 50:50 mix of Sonax BSD and Megs Ultimate QD)

Sonax BSD - Eurocarparts or Carparts4less for around £7.99
The Sonax is not the slickest of products and actually feels quite the opposite, almost sticky to the swipe test.
Beading is mental though.

At the moment I've been using [clears throat] ahem, Turtlewax Hydrophobic Sealant on my daily driver - on offer for something daft like £3.60 from ECP.
Slicker than Sonax BSD and beads just about as well.

Any of these three bargains will make your car look ridiculously good when it rains

For something a bit different..
Try Polish Angel Master Sealant - approx £18 for 50ml which will do you a few cars.
Then top with Polish Angel Rapidwaxx - approx £18 for a supremely slick finish and a durable coating.

Just my experience of products I've used.

HTH

 

Yes that's me @James_R 😁

 

Yes that's me @James_R ��

Nice to hear from you again BRUN :wave:

Hehe, I joined Cliosport in 2006 when I bought my ph2 172.
I think you got hold of a ITG panel filter for me.

Since then I've had a 182 Cup, Twingo RS133 and now have [look left] a Mk3 Clio 200 in Liquid Yellow :argie:

Stick around mate :thumb:

Post up what products you end up going for mate - what you driving nowadays?

 

Still got my Fabia vRS, I tend to keep hold of my car's, only ever had 3 ��

 

Wowo’s contact 121 should be on this list. I’ll be testing it out in a few weeks.

 

Wowo's contact 121 should be on this list. I'll be testing it out in a few weeks.

Actually any of the Wowo Waxes should be, they're fantastic beaders! Tried 121 myself and picked up Signature and the now Mallow Wax, absolute dream to use!

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I recommended Fusso to my friend, but he couldn't get any so went for Water Block.

I think I'm a little bit jealous. They're very similar but Fusso is supposed to last longer and Water Block perform ever so slightly better.

TBH, I don't mind waxing every so often, so Water Block would've been the best choice for me too.

 

Is Oracle on this list? Been impressed so far

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Is Oracle on this list? Been impressed so far

Yes, it has been mentioned. :thumb:

Alan W

 

Sonax PNS is great, you literally can't get the car wet to wash it. The water just sheets away.

 

are Sonax PNS and Xtreme Protect & Shine likely the same product ?

im thinking either one of these, or Fusso, need to make a decision and soon

 

I think the pns is the pro version... Protect and shine more user friendly. Dont think there is much between them. Apply to bare paint [emoji1303]

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Check out the beads from Waterblock Extra Gloss
https://www.detailingworld.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=389461

You'll see the beads are really tall with a full roundness, a sign of a high contact angle.

So many pics of beading on instagram of supposedly "ace beading" where they are all flat and non uniform so not actually great (imho but as long as people are happy with that, good for them).

Wowo's 121 is also very good but I can't find any pics right now. Waterblock for the money is astonishing.

 

I have waterblock, fusso, bsd, sonax extreme protect and shine amongst others and on prepped paint i think protect and shine comes out on top. There isnt to much in it compared with the soft 99 products though

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In my personal opinion the most hydrophobic products I've come across are those with a fluorinated silicon as their primary component, so we're talking "spray and rinse" products (which there are so many of, Turtlewax Dry & Shine is so good for the price, but for me CarPro Hydro2 concentrate was more hydrophobic by a small margin). In my reading is seems that in general fluorinated products take something into the superhydrophobic category https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superhydrophobic_coating

On their own they're great, but short lived, and perform substantially better when on a suitable surface that's already coated in some way. So for me a surface primed with say CarPro Essence, then coated, and a "spray and rinse" on top is amazing (but the short superhydrophobicity is short lived).

I've not yet used a secondary coating like Gliss or Exo.

 

I find without regular cleaning even the most hydrophobic coating will still get cacked up

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As per everyone else, Sonax BSD and Fusso Cost are pretty hard to beat with going down the costing avenue.
I'll put Sonax Polymer Net Shield out there though too. Beads like BSD but lasts longer. Just doesn't feel very slick to the touch.

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im seeing different pictures of this fusso around the sites, are their different versions ?

 

Fusso Dark 12 month coat and Fusso Light 12 month coat.

I had both, but I've sold the light one to a mate and I just use the dark on the grey and yellow.


IMG_2023 by *JMR*, on Flickr

 

Have a look at this Brun.

 

Fusso is no nonsense. It has very good water beading. Sonax Polymer Netshield or Hybrid NPT and BSD are part of a 2 part system - the PNS or NPT are the base sealant (very beady, ridiculous) and BSD is the top up product. They have similar chemistry and the lack of slickness is how they produce their beads - the lotus effect they mention is like the leaves of the lotus flower. Microscopically, this is not smooth, but produces crazy beads.


The MOST beady product I have ever used is Wowo's Noanocoat. It isn't sold now, but it was their top of the range 'wax'. 124 deg contact angle and very slick. It was a paste coating really. Their Contact 121 Wax is very similar, will probably last 6 months too.

 

IMHO the best beader is Sonax Polymer netshield (PNS) and Sonax brilliant shine detailer. And no, I have not used all the products on the market.

I have also used Soft 99 fusso coat (both the paste and liquid version) and they are also very good. On a non scientific test I did on my car; I used PNS on one side of the hood and Fusso coat 7 on the other side. After a wash or in rain I tested to drive the car and the side who had PNS was beading "off the water" faster then the fusso side. I also noticed that PNS was cleaner for a longer time then the Fusso side.

 

is one better than the other between Xtreme Protect & Shine Hybrid NPT and ProfiLine Polymer Net Shield

I understand the Profiline is the 'trade/pro' product but does that make it better ?

also does the Fusso really last 12 months ?

 

IMO there isn't differences with those two Sonax regarding beading. PNS is more durable but Protect&Shine should give you about 10000km and 4-5 months durability.

About Fusso. I detailed one car after 10 months and Fusso was still holding quite well. It was also reqularly washed (once every two weeks or so). Though it was old version from Fusso.