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** Swirl Removal By Hand - Test **

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#1 ·
As promised, I tested out a set of products to see what kind of swirl removal is possible by hand, and as a general overview of the results, it is possible to get good results by hand... but it takes a lot of time and patience!! :)

Each produce was tested on a small area of a red metallic bonnet, pre-washed with some steelwool. This left light swilrs and deep swirls too, to test the products and techniques to the limits. Each product was allowed five hits (this is why my arm is so sore!! :lol: ) to work on the paint, and was worked until the product was ready to remove each time, detailed description of each process with each product.... All products applied using a Meguiars Foam Applicator (clean one for each product) and removed with Megs Ultimate Wipes.

So, down to business:

Meguiars #9 Swirl Remover 2
First up was Meguiars #9, a filler heavy product which also contains light abbrassives. Sutiable for application by hand or machine, of course it was applied by hand here.

Before:


This product was applied first of all in circular motions with firm pressure, then in horizontal and verical lines, and then back to circular motions... Took about three to four minutes per hit to work the product well. The residue then buffed off very easily...

Results after three hits:


Results after five hits:


In summary, this was an easy product to use and did a very good job of dealing with the light swilrs (all taken out), and an admirable job of the heavier scratches, around 60% removed. Impressive by hand... Also left a very nice wet and glossy finish, so for working by hand this is an excellent product for swirl removal. A good start to the test! :thumb:

Meguiars ScratchX
An OTC product that is designed to deal with swirl marks by hand, and a product that is often recommended if working by hand. Light abbrassive product.

Before:


This product was applied first in circular motions then in straight lines with firm pressure. It dried more quickly than #9, and went quite tacky but was still very easy to remove.

Results after five hits:


This was another good performing product from Meguiars, that did a very good job of dealing with the swilrs by hand, only the deeper scratches remaining... an impressive result for working by hand. :)

Prima Amigo Hand Glaze
A non-abbrassive filling product this time, so without the abbrassive to deal with the swilrs, this product was going to rely on the fillers... This made it very easy to use.

Before:


This product was worked in with circular motions then straight lines with medium pressure, given about two minutes per hit to work.

Results after three hits:


Results after five hits:


This product did an excellent job of dealing with hte light swirls but as expected struggled a little with the deeper scratches. However, for cars with light swilrs, this would be an ideal fast, and easy to use glaze product for masking the swilrs effectively. It also left a very nice glossy finish, I was impressed with this product and can see me ordering some in the near future to use as a finishing glaze. :)

Menzerna Final Polish II
A different take on swirl removal now... abbrassiv only, no fillers... I was expecting this to really struggle, relying only on abbrassives which by hand are very difficult to get very good results from. But it did prove me wrong...

Before:


As before, the product was worked in circular motion and straight lines, about five minutes pre hit this time though to try to fully break the product down... tough going, but generated results:

Results after three hits:


Results after five hits:


This was tough going and tiring, but it dealt very nicely with light swilrs and did an admirable job by hand on the heavier scratches... If you have arms like Arnie, this could be done on a full car but there are easier products out there. For me, Menzerna is best suited to the machine, but can work by hand.

Clearkote Red Moose Machine Glaze
A filler heavy glaze, desinged for masking swirl marks and being packed with fillers, should be pretty easy by hand...

Before:


This was applied in the same way as all products above for about two minues, and wiped off with ease...

Results after three hits:


Results after five hits:


While a couple of deeper scratches remained, RMG was very impressive at hiding light and also heavier swilrs by hand and left a nice glossy finish. An excellent performance, and easy too makes this one of my choice products for dealing with swirls by hand. :thumb:

Zymol HD Cleanse
An odd ball this one here... non-abbrassive, but packed with essential glazing oils that can act to fill slightly, I thought it was worth giving this product a go.

Before:


Applied as Zymol instructs, firm pressue in straight lines and wiped off with ease...

Results after three hits:


Results after five hits:


Light swilrs were masked, but anything heavier remained... super wet glossy shine though, so if you use Zymol, I would ensure all defect rmeoval is carried out before the application of HD cleanse as the oils in this will really only deal with minor swirls. The more I use this though, the more I like the super wet look finish!

Autoglym Super Resin Polish
The first of the "all-in-one" productsm contains fillers, leaves an acryllic sealent layer too.

Before:


This was applied in circular motions and straight lines, for about two minutes per hit and the residue removed with ease (a little bit of duist though). Easy to use product...

Results after three hits:


Results after five hits:


Out of all the products tested, this one achieved the best defect removal - even deeper swirls were mostly dealt with... these were mainly filled, but as an option by hand for defect work, SRP is hard ignore. Excellent results from an underrated product, left a nice glossy finish too! :thumb:

Klasse All In One
The second of the all-in-one products, this is a non-abbrassive strong chemical cleanser.

Before:


Applied in circular motions and straight lines for about two minutes per hit, this was another easy to use product which was easy to remove as well.

Results after three hits:


Results after five hits:


Very good results, with many of the swilrs masked and hidden, however for me the finish left by SRP had the edge both interms of glass and defect removal... Still, a good set of results from Klasse.
 
#2 · (Edited)
Meguiars NXT Tech Wax
Not really designed for swirl removal, but contains light fillers and claims to elimate light swilrs so I thought it was worth testing...

Before:


Applied in circular motions, finishing in straight lines:

Results after three hits:


Results after five hits:


NXT struggled with the heavier swilrs, but as it says on the bottle, it eliminated the fine swilrs nicely and also left a nice deep glossy finish. Lovely finish, but if there are severe swirls, best usea different product first and then finish off with the NXT.

1Z Wax Polish Soft

A filler heavy product that also leaves a layer of protection behind it as well, from the 1Z stable so a quality product this one...

Before:



This product was then worked into the paint in circular motions, and straight lines for about two minutes per hit until it started to go a little bit tacky... It was then removed with a Megs Ultimate Wipe, the residue coming away with ease.

Results after three hits:


Results after five hits:


The vast mojority of the light swilrs were removed with this product, only the deeper scratches remianing. What really impressed me with the 1Z was the deep glossy shine that it left on the red paint, another excellent product.

And thats it... yes you can remove swirls by hand, and there are many good products out there. As a brief summary of my thoughts and findings, the best defect removal was achieved by Autoglym Super Resin Polish, glossiest finish from Zymol HD Cleanse, easiest to use was Prima Amigo.

Many thanks to the following people who made this post possible:

Alex at Serious Performance (Prima sample)
andyollie on this forum (1Z WPS sample)
Detailing World (NXT Sample)

and also many thanks to those who offered me samples to test too. It is very much appreciated. :thumb:
 
#205 · (Edited)
I people (sorry my english ok?)

well my question is about...

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1Z Wax Polish Soft

A filler heavy product that also leaves a layer of protection behind it as well, from the 1Z stable so a quality product this one...

Before:



This product was then worked into the paint in circular motions, and straight lines for about two minutes per hit until it started to go a little bit tacky... It was then removed with a Megs Ultimate Wipe, the residue coming away with ease.

Results after three hits:


Results after five hits:


The vast mojority of the light swilrs were removed with this product, only the deeper scratches remianing. What really impressed me with the 1Z was the deep glossy shine that it left on the red paint, another excellent product.

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i have in portugal this product, but i test him in a fiat punto... and i make something rong.

i make by this
i put a small coin (prduct 1Z WPS) in a german pad (black) anda i pass in the car horizontally and vertically same times, but i not shore if i make well... :(

after i use this product 1Z can i pass a selant or a paste wax?

nice test guide Dave KG

i thank's for the attention, sorry my english (i'm portuguese)

XSOUL
 
#13 ·
graham said:
great write up dave!you were bang on with ure prediction of rmg.how abrasive do you think srp is ?
I don't think its very abbrassive at all, but it is packed to the gunnels with fillers which certainly helped it... I wish I had some IPA around to wipe the panel back down to see just what marks were filled, products like RMG purely fill the marks, whereas ScratchX and #9 for example have mild abbrassives too.
 
#16 ·
KevT said:
Those you tested with the fillers, will those simply wash away next wash or will they be ok with a coat of wax on top to protect them?
The ones with the fillers, if you put a coat of wax or sealent over them, then in theory the finish shuld last as long as the wax coat... However, some sealents are very solventy, and I have noticed that EGP for example can act to remove some filler in application. Haven't tried 1Z Glanz Wax over filler, but I suspect it may have a similar effect if used into too large a quantity as it can remove glaze oils. I'll go and have a look at this shortly once I pick up my WPS sample. :)
 
#19 ·
Its my belief any product you appky to a car will mask to some extent. Try hiding very light swirls with a liquid wax - works a treat. Ask Mike Phllips about fillers and he agrees that any substance you apply and wipe smooth over a rough surface will 'fill' to some extent.

Dave did you wipe of the srp to see how much filling effect it has?

My only reservation with 'removal' by hand - in general is that its all very well on a small test piece but try a whole panel, let alone a whole car and you'll be seriously knacered!
 
#21 ·
Great guide Dave.

Have spent five hours today giving the car a good clean.

Decided for a change to use SRP, by hand, all over - it works a treat at masking the swirls, as demonstrated by Dave's detailed analysis, on my Orient Blue 3 Series Touring. Problem is it's quite a big car and my arms are aching somewhat now...

Typically I used NXT Tech Wax as the final coat...but this doesn't last long at all. What do people recommend, application by hand of course?
 
#23 ·
Brazo said:
Its my belief any product you appky to a car will mask to some extent. Try hiding very light swirls with a liquid wax - works a treat. Ask Mike Phllips about fillers and he agrees that any substance you apply and wipe smooth over a rough surface will 'fill' to some extent.

Dave did you wipe of the srp to see how much filling effect it has?

My only reservation with 'removal' by hand - in general is that its all very well on a small test piece but try a whole panel, let alone a whole car and you'll be seriously knacered!
Yep thats true, even a wax will mask toa slight extent... i haven't wiped off the SRP yet, and have just picked up WPS from the post office so will give that a run out tomorrow (off to the cinema shortly :) )

Agreed that, on a whole car, swirl removal by hand would be a nightmareish task, and you'r need a lot of time and patience... if you were to tackle a whole car by hand then for sure I would set aside reasonable targets, like perhaps a panel an evenig, anything more and you'll be seriusly knackered... The point of this test was just to show that its possible. :thumb: