Very interesting! I’ve just started to look into rinseless more. First time trying it out couple of weeks ago and really enjoyed the process.

Congratulations on becoming a moderator 💪

 

Great post, thank you for the detail. big fan of ONR and it's great to see the science works (moved to RWW KC on price)

 

If and when I may decide to buy a rinse-less, I'd go with Koch Chemie RRW.
As I have commented many times, "Never had a dudun yet from any KC products".

5ltr is under £50.

 

@Shakmeister5000

Yes, definitely worth having some to hand.
It still takes me a while but that's because I prepare each time, prespray and wipe very carefully.

Re the moderator bit. I'm here as a detailer above all 😊. I'm just helping to keep things run smoothly like the other chaps do. Thank you for your comment though, it's appreciated 🙏

@F1 CJE UK

As said, I'm not a big user of any but I do feel most confident in ONR's abilities overall but the McKees is nice in use. Never realised the above though. However, as I only wash lightly dusted cars when necessary, I don't think dropping to the bottom is too important but something to be aware of. 👍

Thank you for your input, also appreciated.

 

did you consider a 4th test cup with maybe plain water or generic soap /shampoo?

 

I tested shampoo against ONR before, Born to be Mild. It made no noticeable difference to water alone but adding ONR makes a big difference. The first contaminated picture above is water with no product added, all three cups, they stay looking the same a good while until the the product is added at which point in some cases, there's an immediate change.

 

I did my first rinseless wash this morning with DIY Detail Rinseless and was very happy with the results, pre-sprayed with rinseless then carefully wiped over with a rinseless sponge of Amazon which really released any dirt which was picked up,dried with a plush Turtlewax towel with the odd spritz of Dream maker. I'm not sure if I'd do a rinseless wash on the wife's black car without a decent pre-wash as mine is white I thought I'd try that to start with.

 

@Citromark

Sounds good. Did you use the same dilution for the pre wash? I used to use quite a strong mix but dropped to regular mix.
I might go back to a bit stronger.

 

@Citromark

Sounds good. Did you use the same dilution for the pre wash? I used to use quite a strong mix but dropped to regular mix.
I might go back to a bit stronger.
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I went with the 256 to 1 dilution and it seemed to work fine, I was amazed the the ability of the sponge to release any dirt it picked up, even more so given the price I paid over some of the known brands some of which were getting on for £30. The wifes black car will get a pre-wash at a petrol station jetwash then shoot home and try the rinseless on it.

 

Very useful post 👍 I’d love to see absolute, idrosave & Feynlab in this plus a few others I’m a big fan of absolute though been using it for years now.

although my normal routine is spray on then multiple MF’s I do have a dedicated rinseless bucket and the black sponge

 

Be great to see Koch Chemie RRW against ONR in a similar test.

 

All being well, it will be happening soon.

 

Onr is the king of rinseless.

Will take a lot of convincing otherwise. Everyone else is playing catchup imo.

 

Onr is the king of rinseless.

Will take a lot of convincing otherwise. Everyone else is playing catchup imo.

Taking all into account, I would tend to feel the same. I'm sure there will be some instances, a particular dilution for a certain task where something else might be better but I think ONR is up there in terms of versatility and formula which is something I learned today. Although gloves are recommended, with some, it's a bit stronger than that it seems.

 

I'm not experienced with rinseless, but I absolutely love my chenille mitt for rinseless, it sheds the dirt SO quickly

 

Not tried a chenille noodle mitt with rinseless yet, that might be one to try on the next wash.

 

What do you do with the mitt after the wash? Put it to washing machine or just rinse it and keep it for next Rinseless wash ?

 

I am fairly reluctant to try any sponge due to the full contact area.

BRS has been great for me.
My paint is soft as cheese and havent noticed any marring.

Yeh I was definitely hesitant before I used my big sponge, but after trying a regular wash mitt (not noddle), multiple cloths method, I went back to the big sponge as it just felt the best for me. Like you say @shine247 the best method is the one that works for you.

The extra lubricity you get from rinseless washes is also reassuring when using with a big sponge.

However you've now got me thinking should I try using a chenille noodle for rinseless 🤔. I use it for a shampoo wash so maybe rinseless too?

 

I tried and didnt like the mitt for rinseles.

Too easy to pit too much contact in one place, also i just didnt like the way it feels because rinseless feels basically like water you dont get the same lube feeling as you do when using soap. .

The sponge is def the way to go with rinseless imo, it also releases any particles easier vs microfiber and mitts. Microfiber is designed to grab onto stuff and hold it. The sponge picks it up and it goes into the slits then falls out when you rinse the sponge (helped by the rinseless properties)

 

And here it is, Koch-Chemie RRW against ONR (revision 2).

I didn't know what to expect here but I had an feeling ONR would win this particular test.

Today sand with a little soil. I almost used sand alone as I think it's the best test from what I can see.

The products set up, ~1:250

Muck added and if left, it hangs around like that.

Now, this is the surprising part. I took this at 30 seconds but it wasn't far off instantaneous. Look at ONR 😲

One minute. What's interesting and I noticed this on the earlier test above is how the ONR seems to show the muck settle differently.

2 minutes, the RRW is catching up but the water is not as clear.

And finally at 5 minutes. As I said previously, there seems to be a point at which a lot happens, especially for ONR then it's more gradual.

I'm not sure where RRW rests against AF Rapid but when you consider the AF offering used more product and it's costly IMO, it's a bit of a mute point. Maybe they use more to ensure the best result for ad hoc use rather than ongoing regular use. I don't think there would be an easy answer to it.

I think ONR is likely the best product overall. I nearly bought 5L of RRW but I am glad I didn't. I don't think for one moment this test alone proves what is the best rinseless wash in use but ONR has been at it long enough to know what works and they are now on revision 6 so how good will that be? Plus, the ONR SDS reads quite nicely which is more than can be said for some, however, the ones I have tested don't appear to have anything really nasty in them.

 

There's a channel on YouTube which has done lots of tests on rinseless washes, similar to the test you've done, also tests out different wash media's and what marrs etc. ONR and a sponge, which marrs the least seems to come out on top, I don't think anything beats ONR for dirt encapsulation. I'll be picking up version 6 when I can find it, almost out of my version 5.

 

Detailing Projects on YouTube has RRW and ONR as top dogs for rinseless. Forensic Detailing also seems to prefer RRW over ONR, at least with how often I see him bringing it up during videos

 

Pretty sure that was because its the cheapest. It won out on price iirc FD is strong on value/dilutions.

 

I've seen DP videos, he likes ONR but might prefer RRW 🤷‍♂️. It's very much swings and roundabouts but as I say, I'm pleased I only bought a litre, at this time at least. I wouldn't hesitate to buy a gallon of ONR though. Using it all up will be the challenge for me. 😂

 

Really? Lol i burn thru a couple gallons a year easy.

Beween ONR and Surfex Hd just ignoring the rediculous anount of uses/chemicals they replace on car maintanance. Most of our home cleaners have been replaced withone of the two.

Basically it goes like this

Is it glossy (eg kitchen cabinets) - ONR
is it greasy/dirty (BBQ/ hob/cooker/microwave) Surfex HD.

On another note ive heard from the man himself Mr Hamber that they are currently working on A proper rinseless wash (not the auto qd one) cant wait for that to throw a spanner in the works. We we all know how good they are on value/performance

 

@Noob-detailer

I've gone through about 1.5 gallons of ONR in around 12 years. That's the odd wash here and there and mainly on an older car I don't pressure wash. I've bought the others really during the last hp ban and anything that will affect now. Thought I'd try another brand to see and the price for RRW wasn't bad to try 1L. I can understand how you go through it as you use it though.

 

Thank you for taking the time to
Do this test and update us all, really Interesting results. ONR is an amazing product, I also rate RRW on value.

 

Super - thanks so much. I have only done one rinseless wash with RRW and a mitt, but now have a rinseless sponge to try it.

Not sure whether to now spray it on with a foamer, based on the times above leave it for say 3 minutes then start the clean off process potentially using a rinse bucket for the sponge.

 

Super - thanks so much. I have only done one rinseless wash with RRW and a mitt, but now have a rinseless sponge to try it.

Not sure whether to now spray it on with a foamer, based on the times above leave it for say 3 minutes then start the clean off process potentially using a rinse bucket for the sponge.

I spray on rinseless, let it dwell, and then go with my contact wash. No issues so far, and I use a drying aid at the end to help with the pop!

 

I'm currently using ONR v5 but the one i would like to try is Labocosmetica IDROSAVE, heard really good things but don't know how well it works compared to ONR

 

I looked at it but when a reviewer went through the SDS, some of the chemicals put me off. One is rated H310, fatal in contact with skin. Obviously the amount plays a part but even so, to know it's in there. PPE in order for sure.

 

This is the second test I've seen from you and both were very practical and uncomplicated.

I had stopped watching others do these and way too strung out. But that was probably YT's that make money.

ONR has been the brand leader on this for sure and spent a lot of updating the product.

The only stand out surprise was the cost ONR is less than 4.7 litr. For 5 bottles £22(only comes in 946ltr). It's £110.
KC Rrw is twice that plus a bit around the £50 mark +/- 5ltr.

That's a big difference and something to take into account.

Thanks for the testing and review.

 

This is the second test I've seen from you and both were very practical and uncomplicated.

I had stopped watching others do these and way too strung out. But that was probably YT's that make money.

ONR has been the brand leader on this for sure and spent a lot of updating the product.

The only stand out surprise was the cost ONR is less than 4.7 litr. (only comes in 946ltr).
KC Rrw is twice that plus a bit aronnd the £50 mark +/-

That's a big difference and something to take into account.

Thanks for the testing and review.

Thank you 🙏

That's much appreciated. I'm not a YT'er by any means (by choice) so anything I do is typically straight forward really. This is the only place I show anything and what I do is primarily something I want to know myself, quite often as a result of something on here. Buying RRW is a example, I know you mentioned it as did someone else so I bought it. I don't think you can beat seeing something happening in front of you and anyone seeing it knows it's not just my opinion or what I perceive. I think you have to try things to get a true indication of whether they work for you but an overwhelming liking for something by others can help. I'm looking forward to seeing how RRW works in use now.

Nice to hear from you 😉

 

Today after 12 days of nothing but dust on the car, I went out to try RRW. Mixed 8L accordingly and poured 1L into a sprayer. Also tried a new method, three good Costco microfibers left in the solution. This was instead of my regular noodle mitt. Also, instead of a damp towel, I found a light fluffy large microfibre. I really don't like wiping dry, always pat for normal wash so I thought the towel will lightly wipe the moisture off almost like a QD. I'll say now, it did, very well in fact.

So after a good pre spray of RRW at regular wash concentrate for dust, I gently rested a microfiber against the paint 🥺 and carefully wiped half the roof using two sides. Easy!
Same the other side then wiped dry. Easy!
Looks good 👍 I topped up the pump sprayer because the wash bucket was clean having not dipped back in. Sprayed the panels over whilst doing it and also sprayed the cloth to keep it really wet. The drying cloth became a little more damp, maybe 30% by the end.

The one thing I noticed was when misting the RRW onto the car, there was quite a strong chemical odour. Smells don't usually bother me, fallout or anything but I don't like Auto foam at all and this was a bit below it for me if inhaled. It was breezy so ordinarily, I'd probably be OK 🤔.

Anyway, all in all, I found it easy enough to use so whilst it's not the best for settling dirt, it does not need to be. Hopefully, there are no new marks 🤞

Here's a reflection shot I took whilst out later. It's the canvas that provides the shine we know but at least with RRW, it lets you see it as do the others so it's really hard to say which is best. I think I'd probably put my faith in ONR, McKee's (on my kind of dirt) and this because of KC's standing. AF Rapid, I am not sure because it new, costly and although they have some good products, I can't help but feel it's been produced because there is now a market. But hey, they are not alone and some more use might enlighten me.

 

That's very near what I will do on my garaged car, not with either rinseless though.
I like the dampening of the MF also, plus fine spray of QD product. Slow and sure, flipping as I choose. Not as regular though.
This works well, especially with dust and or pollen. Same method on glass and cleaner.

With the car outside it's nowhere near as easy of course. I'm going to put KC RRw on my list.

I just checked C@S and Whizzer has 0PT ONR in US gal. That's about 3.8 ltr and £50. That seems like it should be an option to add. I had it calculated in single ltr amounts before.

Anyway, it looks as though it has worked loverly on that car of yours D ... nice one

 

I really don't understand why RRW is liked so much - is it the cost or because it won Forensics test?

For all the use I've had of various Rinseless wash products I've found that:

Feynlab is by far and away the best cleaner
CarPro Ech2o is the slickest that actually releases the dirt from the wash media (looking at you, Wolfgang's)
Garage Therapy Rinseless is the best all round.

All of them are, in my opinion, better than ONR overall, and the special sponges really do work.

The dirt encapsulation from ONR looks good but in reality I've not actually find it make any difference to the wash process at all, and the lack of surfactants from ONR means it doesn't clean as well, so it's not worth it for me.

 

I like RRW and used it before forensics tests, but mainly because I like Koch Chemie products. I have only compared it with ONR as they are the only two rinseless washes I've used. Both seem to works well but I've just brought some garage therapy rinseless, also their tyre serum too, so I'll be interested to see how that compares as it does seem to get some fantastic reviews.